[bots]

well lets face it, ISIS members haven't shown themselves to be particularly tolerant of the gay scene to date.

The Mayor has just said it looks likely there was a connection with ISIS

[jaxie]

I'm never going to understand the insane position where the American public think their right to bears arms means it's OK for anyone to be sold an automatic weapon. These should be completely restricted to the armed forces. There is no feasible reason why a member of the public should need to have one.
I am anti gun anyway but semi automatics, why? It makes no sense even if you argue it's for hunting, what are you going to bullet spray the bunnies?

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm never going to understand the insane position where the American public think their right to bears arms means it's OK for anyone to be sold an automatic weapon. These should be completely restricted to the armed forces. There is no feasible reason why a member of the public should need to have one.
I am anti gun anyway but semi automatics, why? It makes no sense even if you argue it's for hunting, what are you going to bullet spray the bunnies?

The right to bear arms in America is not about hunting. It is about being able to resist a tyrannical government. They will never give their guns up and rightly so. An attempt to disarm them would be a bloodbath.

Paris doesn't have legalised guns but the balaclava attack happened. Terrorists will always get guns.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The right to bear arms in America is not about hunting. It is about being able to resist a tyrannical government.

It was also about stopping slave revolts so the historical context is important.

[Macie Lightfoot]

someone else got arrested who was going to LA Pride with weapons and explosives on him... this is awful

[Ninastar]

Because it shows that ISIS are a bigger threat than previously thought...

[Firewire]

It was one person so doesn't really have an impact on the size of ISIS

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It was one person so doesn't really have an impact on the size of ISIS

Whether it was one person or 20, does it really matter? If this has been done by ISIS, this is yet another attack on innocent people this year. How many has it been now? 15 this year! Over 1000 people in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_to_ISIL#2016

It can happen anywhere and it will.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

Whether it was one person or 20, does it really matter? If this has been done by ISIS, this is yet another attack on innocent people this year. How many has it been now? 15 this year! Over 1000 people in total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_to_ISIL#2016

It can happen anywhere and it will.

15 Isis attack at his year versus over 370 gun attacks

But no, ISIS is the issue.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Firewire

15 Isis attack at his year versus over 370 gun attacks

But no, ISIS is the issue.

I'm sorry but this is completely different and totally irrelevant.

[ThriceShy]

Before people start ridiculing posts, could they learn the basic facts.

This was a hostage situation. He was holding hostages until 5am. The police were negotiating with him. This was virtually a carbon copy of the balaclan. He had a suicide vest.
This was a terror attack.

[Drew.]

Been keeping up with the updates on twitter.. haven't really seen anything that proves its terrorist related, haven't seen anyone saying he phoned the police either.

Sounds to me it was just a mentally unhinged guy, parents basically saying he was homophobic and his ex girlfriend saying he used to beat her. Too early to jump to conclusions though

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Been keeping up with the updates on twitter.. haven't really seen anything that proves its terrorist related, haven't seen anyone saying he phoned the police either.

Sounds to me it was just a mentally unhinged guy, parents basically saying he was homophobic and his ex girlfriend saying he used to beat her. Too early to jump to conclusions though

The police are treating it as a terrorist incident. I think their opinion trumps yours.

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The police are treating it as a terrorist incident. I think their opinion trumps yours.

As they do with more or less every shooting incident. There's just no evidence yet until they come out and confirm anything

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Drew.

As they do with more or less every shooting incident. There's just no evidence yet until they come out and confirm anything

The police were already investigating him for radical Islam threats. He swore allegiance to Isis in a call to police


Http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016...n-feared.html/

If you still aren't convinced then what evidence would convince you?

[Drew.]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's been reported both on NBC and the BBC that he called 911 before the shootings and pledged his allegiance to Islamic State.

The FBI has said it was an act of terrorism.

That's pretty conclusive for me.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The police were already investigating him for radical Islam threats. He swore allegiance to Isis in a call to police


Http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2016...n-feared.html/

If you still aren't convinced then what evidence would convince you?

You seem to be under the impression i'm fighting his corner or something, i don't need convincing, my points were it's too early to come to the conclusion without evidence and i didn't see any at the time i originally posted. If there is now evidence then fair enough, i believe it

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

The police are treating it as a terrorist incident. I think their opinion trumps yours.

Of course it's a terror attack. 50 people died. Whether it's Islamic or anything else, it is based on homophobia. Terrorism related to political views, this is one.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Been keeping up with the updates on twitter.. haven't really seen anything that proves its terrorist related, haven't seen anyone saying he phoned the police either.

Sounds to me it was just a mentally unhinged guy, parents basically saying he was homophobic and his ex girlfriend saying he used to beat her. Too early to jump to conclusions though

I absolutely agree, Drew. People jump to conclusions all of the time in an event like this, especially the media. I've seen Donald Trump tweet about radical Islamic extremism with absolutely no source or accurate facts.

I did see tweets about the homophobia. A gay club during gay pride was chosen, I don't think ISIS care much about people expressing their sexuality in Orlando. They hate all Western people equally. Regardless of who was responsible, 50 people tragically lost their lives in a place they are supposed to feel safe and free and queer.

This shouldn't be a debate on ISIS.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Drew.

Been keeping up with the updates on twitter.. haven't really seen anything that proves its terrorist related, haven't seen anyone saying he phoned the police either.

Sounds to me it was just a mentally unhinged guy, parents basically saying he was homophobic and his ex girlfriend saying he used to beat her. Too early to jump to conclusions though

It's been reported both on NBC and the BBC that he called 911 before the shootings and pledged his allegiance to Islamic State.

The FBI has said it was an act of terrorism.

That's pretty conclusive for me.

[Firewire]

But the BBC reported earlier that he was not on the US terror list?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Firewire

But the BBC reported earlier that he was not on the US terror list?

That's a list of people they know of. You can Google the list.

[Ninastar]

Put the news on Jonathan. They're saying he's from ISIS now.

[Gusto Brunt]

Absolutely horrifying. All those families lives devastated.

[Ninastar]

Its those text that have upset me more than anything. I just cant even imagine what all those people trapped in there have gone through. ugh, this is depressing me

[Denver]

The UK will be next and its rather worrying