[Maxxie.]

I don't think I can bare to watch BB until 24 hour live feed is back, defeats the whole purpose of the show and producers can fix anything. I'd understand this not being shown if it was in some sort of live feed but viewers need to see things like this.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Was he injured though?

Because Sam was.

He had to seek medical advice for potential infection.

You can't compare an accident to deliberate spitting.

[the truth]

they were arguing over a mask

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

He had to seek medical advice for potential infection.

You can't compare an accident to deliberate spitting.

Both were deliberate.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If it happened exactly as she said, there isn't even an issue, though those who dislike Bear will obviously make it into one. Yes her contact lense got stuck, hence medic. But squirting water at someone does not an aggressive act make...

...to be fair though, Vicky...it's been a two way thing with the Bears and the non Bears and always is in the silly season when all objectivity goes when it comes to favourite and least favourite housemates...

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This exact thing actually happened with two of my friends when I was a teen... one threw a drink at the other as a joke and it knocked his contact lens up under his eyelid. Should he have called the police?

Yes it's a stupid prank but it's an accident, he didn't intend to hurt anyone, and probably had no idea she was wearing contact lesnes. All that's required in a situation like that is an explanation of why it's a bad idea / dangerous... you don't punish people for a mistake as if they intended it.

..this is the crux of it though for me..I don't think there was any intention to cause her discomfort or have medic attention but it's the sort of thing without any thought that someone much younger would do and the potential danger of a few of his 'pranks and lols'..like the oil on the floor was...I mean, we all know that you don't mess with the eyes by squirting anything in at such close range of asking her to put her eye right up to and the added thing of her wearing contacts...which he would know that she did because they've shared a house for 4 weeks or whatever...just no thought at all and no adult mindset...


...anyways, she's fine I presume and no matter what 'pranks' he has in store or does, he's going to win..that was fairly much decreed from the off....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...anyways, she's fine I presume and no matter what 'pranks' he has in store or does, he's going to win..that was fairly much decreed from the off....

"Someone I don't think should win might win! Fix! It's a fix!"

You're better than this, Ammi!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Someone I don't think should win might win! Fix! It's a fix!"

You're better than this, Ammi!

....stop with your waggy finger, TS...I don't believe 'fix', no..there is an ocean of difference between fix and manipulation of a viewing audience that BB know so well and of making it all The Bear Show and etc and yadi yadi yah...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....stop with your waggy finger, TS...I don't believe 'fix', no..there is an ocean of difference between fix and manipulation of a viewing audience that BB know so well and of making it all The Bear Show and etc and yadi yadi yah...

And Katie Waissell lost The X Factor because her gran was an OAP porn star, and not because her performances were awful and she was really irritating...

It's a conspiracy theory which is really not much different from crying fix... You just have to accept that it won't always be your favourite that wins...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And Katie Waissell lost The X Factor because her gran was an OAP porn star, and not because her performances were awful and she was really irritating...

It's a conspiracy theory which is really not much different from crying fix... You just have to accept that it won't always be your favourite that wins...

...hmm, I can't really comment on that because I wasn't familiar with anything about Granny Waissell, that all came a bit of a revelation...but it is completely different to 'fix' in that there's no vote rigging or anything, just BB knowing their audience and how they're going to 'pitch' each series in terms of their HL shows/what they'll reveal and what they won't reveal etc...it's not 'reality' and it's not balanced but very much the engineering of 'characters'...(I very rarely have a favourite win btw so 'acceptance' really doesn't come that hard...)....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...hmm, I can't really comment on that because I wasn't familiar with anything about Granny Waissell, that all came a bit of a revelation...but it is completely different to 'fix' in that there's no vote rigging or anything, just BB knowing their audience and how they're going to 'pitch' each series in terms of their HL shows/what they'll reveal and what they won't reveal etc...it's not 'reality' and it's not balanced but very much the engineering of 'characters'...(I very rarely have a favourite win btw so 'acceptance' really doesn't come that hard...)....

I don't think it's ever been any different though, I remember the earlier seasons when live-feed was often available and, if you watched live feed, the tone was often totally different to the HL shows... You'd see people talking and joking who the HL shows never showed together, extra things said in conversations that we're omitted to change the implications, etc. The only difference was that live feed was more readily available (was often on E4 half the day) BUT it makes little difference in terms of audience manipulation... Because it was only ever a very small percentage of hardcore fans who actually WATCHED live feed. Most of the voters were basing their opinions on the HL shows - and so the evictions and the winner were still decided in that edited version of the show.

In my opinion the only real difference now is not that there's more manipulation... We're all just reality TV veterans now so we see it easily, whereas in the early years we were all just young sprouts.

[Liam-]

Vile thug, whether he meant to hurt her eye or not, things like that can still be dangerous, even to someone who's not wearing contacts, he doesn't seem to have any sense of logic or awareness, considering he's on a final warning, it should be interesting to see how they handle him when he steps out of line again.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think it's ever been any different though, I remember the earlier seasons when live-feed was often available and, if you watched live feed, the tone was often totally different to the HL shows... You'd see people talking and joking who the HL shows never showed together, extra things said in conversations that we're omitted to change the implications, etc. The only difference was that live feed was more readily available (was often on E4 half the day) BUT it makes little difference in terms of audience manipulation... Because it was only ever a very small percentage of hardcore fans who actually WATCHED live feed. Most of the voters were basing their opinions on the HL shows - and so the evictions and the winner were still decided in that edited version of the show.

In my opinion the only real difference now is not that there's more manipulation... We're all just reality TV veterans now so we see it easily, whereas in the early years we were all just young sprouts.

..yeah I totally agree with the live-feed and how HL shows..(if someone was just watching them alone...)...were so slanted but even with that though/the omission of stuff etc that sometimes caused context to be lost ...it still wasn't to the extent it is now in that 'characters' were manufactured in the editing with the 'good/evil' thing and not actually that much balance of real people...we still had 'real people' before and more insight to who they were, even with HL editing....

[joeysteele]

Well if Bear wins and I would not be unhappy if he did, he has had a lot of negativity shown throughout consistently in the highlights programmes, many in there have said and done noting so there is no negativity shown possibly from them.

Bear's anger, wilder pranks, thoughtless and less harmful have been shown.
Yet he has survived all evictions and clearly has pleased those viewing the series.
He has been seen as calm, quiet, angry and the total wind up merchant he has chosen to be in the house.
At least we have seen just about all genuine good and bad sides to him.
So if he wins, he does so with a full presentation of himself whether that is good or bad depending on how people see him.

Also I need to add this as to the contact lens issue,one of my friends from School,has worn them since leaving school, around 8 years ago,yet until Christmas just past,I never realised or knew she did until she dropped one of them and all panic was let loose in finding it.

It is very possible indeed to be around someone continually and still 'not' know every detail about them, unless they themselves tell you things.

[chuff me dizzy]

Sam hardly hid her disappointment at not making the final ,and I think she over exaggerated the eye thing ....idiot

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well if Bear wins and I would not be unhappy if he did, he has had a lot of negativity shown throughout consistently in the highlights programmes, many in there have said and done noting so there is no negativity shown possibly from them.

Bear's anger, wilder pranks, thoughtless and less harmful have been shown.
Yet he has survived all evictions and clearly has pleased those viewing the series.
He has been seen as calm, quiet, angry and the total wind up merchant he has chosen to be in the house.
At least we have seen just about all genuine good and bad sides to him.
So if he wins, he does so with a full presentation of himself whether that is good or bad depending on how people see him.

Also I need to add this as to the contact lens issue,one of my friends from School,has worn them since leaving school, around 8 years ago,yet until Christmas just past,I never realised or knew she did until she dropped one of them and all panic was let loose in finding it.

It is very possible indeed to be around someone continually and still 'not' know every detail about them, unless they themselves tell you things.

Ive only ever seen Bear get angry once, he's been pushed to the limit ,but stayed calmed and laughed it off ,he's going to get battered from the Yanks and snake boy Ricky now...but all he's got to do it keep his cool and laugh at them ,this will piss them off more than rising to their hatred ,he knows what he's doing ,he will play them like puppets

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Both were deliberate.

And you know that he 'deliberately' went out of his way to hit Sam in the eye, even though you haven't seen what happened ?

What we do know with 100% certainty though is that Aubrey spitting deliberately, maliciously and totally repulsively in Bear's food will follow her around the attempted celeb comeback circuit like a turd on a string. I'm pretty sure that'll be viewed with even more disgust in the US than it was over here.
I think her selling herself as Miss Compassion USA is gonna' be dead and buried after this. She'll have to settle for Miss Hypocrite USA instead!

[mdook]

In tonight show people will see Bear becoming arrogant and him being saved by the public is getting to his disgusting ego.He is socially not equip to interact with people and not a nice person to be around with.Do not give him the winning prize.Ricky ,Renee or Frankie deserve it more.

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well yes but she was obviously making a big deal of it in how she went on about it.

Can you blame her though? Whatever Bear's like to watch on TV (I can take or leave him) he must be an absolute nightmare to live with. Particularly when it's clear that unless he outed himself as a full-on Nazi, and possibly not even then, the producers aren't going to do anything. He's been on his last warning, what, about five times now?

[bots]

Can't deny that its a bit of a selective edit not to show an event where a housemates actions cause another housemate to receive medical attention whether its a prank or not, its surely for the viewers to decide, and Sam clearly wanted it shown to the public so her withholding permission can't be used as an excuse either.

[Ian Coke]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

He had to seek medical advice for potential infection.

Yeah, but for Bear, getting an AIDS test must be like going to the gym for most people. Something you do about once a month.

[Cal.]

I loved how Sam kept mentioning it happened yesterday and Emma trying to say it'll be on tomorrow's highlights when it won't be they just wanted to shut her up about editing. Why would something from 2 days ago be on the highlights today lol

[Clootie Dumpling]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Can't deny that its a bit of a selective edit not to show an event where a housemates actions cause another housemate to receive medical attention whether its a prank or not, its surely for the viewers to decide, and Sam clearly wanted it shown to the public so her withholding permission can't be used as an excuse either.

This is the point, really, and it's very disappointing that BB decided not to show it in an HL show, which showed Bear in a much better light than usual.

There's no balance and it was pathetic how Emma tried to make excuses by saying it would be shown in the next HL show - then backtracking when Sam corrected her about when it happened.

[billy123]

Just another example of why i dont get tied up in any series these days and just laugh at people that get overly defensive and over excited about what is no more real than Coronation street.
I cant wait until this crap either escapes from Chavvel 5 or just ends.
I hate watching a show i once loved suffer a long painful death but i cant stop watching out of some misplaced loyalty to it.

[ScottyT]

Haha the agenda behind these edits are ridiculous. They could of easily of included it in the highlights but they are pushing Bear to win - I don't know why though, he's in the final now there's not much more they can do.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ScottyT

Haha the agenda behind these edits are ridiculous. They could of easily of included it in the highlights but they are pushing Bear to win - I don't know why though, he's in the final now there's not much more they can do.

In honesty though, do you think showing this would hurt his chances of winning? People who like him know what he is like...and most beyond those posting here will not see squirting water at someone as an assassination attempt. If anything it could win him more fans :S

The reason for the coverup is a bit of a mystery though, though I can see Sam refusing for it to be shown..then whinging about it. Which is quite possible :S