[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Alf

Can't these morons protest about something worthy and important, like bringing smoking back to our pubs.

These people spend all their lives fighting the establishment, but when it's come to the crunch, they've sided with? The establishment.

Its like a march to complain about Leicester winning the league. Pathetic

[jaxie]

Um hardly a black out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...he-eu-37265840

Makes you a bit sad though to see all the people who want to sell us to the EU and can't accept a vote that didn't go their way.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Um hardly a black out. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...he-eu-37265840

Makes you a bit sad though to see all the people who want to sell us to the EU and can't accept a vote that didn't go their way.

You joined the convo a bit late that was put up early evening.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You joined the convo a bit late that was put up early evening.

Is there a set time when things have to be in the news then?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Is there a set time when things have to be in the news then?

When it's an organised live event you would have thought it would be reported on as it happened, unless the media didn't want to encourage anyone from offering their support... but that's my cynical side speaking.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

When it's an organised live event you would have thought it would be reported on as it happened, unless the media didn't want to encourage anyone from offering their support... but that's my cynical side speaking.

I doubt most small protests like that would be considered important enough for live news.

[bots]

Just to clarify for those that are confused:

The referendum is not legally binding, it requires a vote in parliament for the UK to trigger article 50. Associated with that vote will be a debate. So, clearly all sides in parliament will have an opportunity to discuss/question what is going to happen, when it is to happen and how it is going to happen.

It is still quite possible for parliament to reject leaving the EU, however, one could expect any MP's that go against their area result not to be in parliament for long if they vote against.

So, for example, the SNP can vote to reject article 50 being triggered decisively as that was the will of the Scottish people. Its by no means yet a certainty that article 50 will get triggered in the time frame being proposed .... it may have many twists and turns yet. We will just need to wait an see.

So .... while some might want to say the vote is over, there is no point in protesting, that would be completely false. The legal vote has yet to take place.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Just to clarify for those that are confused:

The referendum is not legally binding, it requires a vote in parliament for the UK to trigger article 50. Associated with that vote will be a debate. So, clearly all sides in parliament will have an opportunity to discuss/question what is going to happen, when it is to happen and how it is going to happen.

It is still quite possible for parliament to reject leaving the EU, however, one could expect any MP's that go against their area result not to be in parliament for long if they vote against.

So, for example, the SNP can vote to reject article 50 being triggered decisively as that was the will of the Scottish people. Its by no means yet a certainty that article 50 will get triggered in the time frame being proposed .... it may have many twists and turns yet. We will just need to wait an see.

So .... while some might want to say the vote is over, there is no point in protesting, that would be completely false. The legal vote has yet to take place.

It doesn't actually require a vote.

"Oliver Letwin, heading Whitehall’s Brexit unit, says legal advice is that article 50 can be invoked under royal prerogative."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nt-lawyers-say

[bots]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It doesn't actually require a vote.

"Oliver Letwin, heading Whitehall’s Brexit unit, says legal advice is that article 50 can be invoked under royal prerogative."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nt-lawyers-say

they can try and bypass parliament if they wish, but it will set a precedent that I am sure no right minded MP would support. It would spell the end of democracy and place us in similar waters to some of our more exotic eastern european neighbours

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can try and bypass parliament if they wish, but it will set a precedent that I am sure no right minded MP would support. It would spell the end of democracy and place us in similar waters to some of our more exotic eastern european neighbours

It was voted on by the people, there is no need for parliament, elected by the people, to ratify something the people have already voted on themselves. That would be fairly undemocratic, to have to approve the vote of the nation because we can't be trusted?

[bots]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It was voted on by the people, there is no need for parliament, elected by the people to ratify something the people have already voted on themselves.

referendum's are not legally binding, this was made quite clear prior to the vote taking place.

I don't for one moment expect parliament to go against that vote, but it is the body that decides the nations course. It ensures proper democratic process is followed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It was voted on by the people, there is no need for parliament, elected by the people, to ratify something the people have already voted on themselves. That would be fairly undemocratic, to have to approve the vote of the nation because we can't be trusted?

it was not to annul or reverse the vote but to debate and vote on issues relating to brexit.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can try and bypass parliament if they wish, but it will set a precedent that I am sure no right minded MP would support. It would spell the end of democracy and place us in similar waters to some of our more exotic eastern european neighbours

I agree totally.
A growing number in the Conservative party will not be happy if Parliament is not consulted.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Just to clarify for those that are confused:

The referendum is not legally binding, it requires a vote in parliament for the UK to trigger article 50. Associated with that vote will be a debate. So, clearly all sides in parliament will have an opportunity to discuss/question what is going to happen, when it is to happen and how it is going to happen.

It is still quite possible for parliament to reject leaving the EU, however, one could expect any MP's that go against their area result not to be in parliament for long if they vote against.

So, for example, the SNP can vote to reject article 50 being triggered decisively as that was the will of the Scottish people. Its by no means yet a certainty that article 50 will get triggered in the time frame being proposed .... it may have many twists and turns yet. We will just need to wait an see.

So .... while some might want to say the vote is over, there is no point in protesting, that would be completely false. The legal vote has yet to take place.

the protest is due to the fact there will be no vote.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...t-commons-vot/

[Kizzy]

Let's not forget that this petition was set up by a brexit supporter

Spoiler:

It led to the vote on monday.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let's not forget that this petition was set up by a brexit supporter

Spoiler:

It led to the vote on monday.

Or that most of the signatures were faked. The point is you said there wouldn't be any debates, there are.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Or that most of the signatures were faked. The point is you said there wouldn't be any debates, there are.

this isn't a bebate on brexit it's to decide whether or not to hold another referendum.... Which of course can't and won't happen.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

this isn't a bebate on brexit it's to decide whether or not to hold another referendum.... Which of course can't and won't happen.

Now you're nitpicking. What else is there to debate?

Well I suppose we could debate why some people want to be part of a corrupt, failing superstate rather than an independent country. But since that is the minority not much point.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Now you're nitpicking. What else is there to debate?

Well I suppose we could debate why some people want to be part of a corrupt, failing superstate rather than an independent country. But since that is the minority not much point.

Nope not nitpicking, that is part of due process in a referendum, democratic process.

If you want to be part of an autocracy then fine, I don't.

[Kizzy]

Still happy?...

Ideas suggested by the PM this weekend to keep Britain afloat in a post-Brexit world include closer ties with China, the summit’s host country.

“This is a golden era for UK-China relations and one of the things I will be doing at the G20 is obviously talking to President Xi about how we can develop the strategic partnership that we have between the UK and China,” she said as she boarded her RAF Voyager plane to the summit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7224306.html

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Still happy?...

Ideas suggested by the PM this weekend to keep Britain afloat in a post-Brexit world include closer ties with China, the summit’s host country.

“This is a golden era for UK-China relations and one of the things I will be doing at the G20 is obviously talking to President Xi about how we can develop the strategic partnership that we have between the UK and China,” she said as she boarded her RAF Voyager plane to the summit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7224306.html

And the EU is run by Germany who have a terrifying history and have brought the world to war twice. Ironically to gain the purchase over Europe they now have with the EU. You can't quibble about China if you want to cuddle up to Germany.

[Ammi]

...this is not a football match or any such similar...there are no winning or losing sides...if we lose, then we all lose and if there are any 'wins' then we all win/no matter which way we voted...and there are no sour grapes either because if the grapes turn sour then they turn sour for all of us and all of our children...this referendum hasn't produced a result/a voice of a country, all it's produced is a divide of a country and how can a divide ever take us into something better.../divided we fall...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is not a football match or any such similar...there are no winning or losing sides...if we lose, then we all lose and if there are any 'wins' then we all win/no matter which way we voted...and there are no sour grapes either because if the grapes turn sour then they turn sour for all of us and all of our children...this referendum hasn't produced a result/a voice of a country, all it's produced is a divide of a country and how can a divide ever take us into something better.../divided we fall...

That is absolutely spot on.

The only thing I will add to this debate is that marches and protests are in fact a democratic right in a democratic Nation and it is odd how they are dismissed and stated as wrong because they are against what others think and get.

Any march or protest from legitimate citizens and voters should be newsworthy, no matter what it is about.

For sure I dare bet all I had, that if this had been a 3.8% majority vote to 'remain', there would have been protests and marches for a 2nd referendum from the 'leave' side, who have actually been moaning now for over 20 years at least.

I have had abuse off here for voting remain,that is fine, however if anyone gets really nasty I will take it to the Police.
To ignore this very narrow result indeed and 2 Nations of the UK voting to remain as well as 2 voting to leave,then at the same time to ignore the really bad divisions this referendum has created across the Nation, would be very unwise to say the very least.

All opinion should be newsworthy and when people feel strongly enough to march in the streets too, that should be reported.
Had there been any trouble or smashing of windows, you can bet your life there would have been reporting of it then, and then we'd get the opinionated hardliners jumping in saying they were 'all' thugs.

Funny how some only see democratic rights for people, when it is on issues they agree with.
I would have for sure expected to see marches calling for a 2nd referendum had this been 3.8% the other way,indeed Nigel Farage himself stated there would be a great call for another referendum in that event.
I maybe wouldn't have agreed with the idea but would have certainly defended their right to do the march and also that it should be considered a news item too.

The media is there to report what goes on in the Country and World,it should not be selective as to events and the odd couple of minutes on the news is hardly time consuming.
Especially when you look at some items included which are called news, which are far from being so.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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That is absolutely spot on.

The only thing I will add to this debate is that marches and protests are in fact a democratic right in a democratic Nation and it is odd how they are dismissed and stated as wrong because they are against what others think and get.

Any march or protest from legitimate citizens and voters should be newsworthy, no matter what it is about.

For sure I dare bet all I had, that if this had been a 3.8% majority vote to 'remain', there would have been protests and marches for a 2nd referendum from the 'leave' side, who have actually been moaning now for over 20 years at least.

I have had abuse off here for voting remain,that is fine, however if anyone gets really nasty I will take it to the Police.
To ignore this very narrow result indeed and 2 Nations of the UK voting to remain as well as 2 voting to leave,then at the same time to ignore the really bad divisions this referendum has created across the Nation, would be very unwise to say the very least.

All opinion should be newsworthy and when people feel strongly enough to march in the streets too, that should be reported.
Had there been any trouble or smashing of windows, you can bet your life there would have been reporting of it then, and then we'd get the opinionated hardliners jumping in saying they were 'all' thugs.

Funny how some only see democratic rights for people, when it is on issues they agree with.
I would have for sure expected to see marches calling for a 2nd referendum had this been 3.8% the other way,indeed Nigel Farage himself stated there would be a great call for another referendum in that event.
I maybe wouldn't have agreed with the idea but would have certainly defended their right to do the march and also that it should be considered a news item too.

The media is there to report what goes on in the Country and World,it should be selective as to events and the odd couple of minutes on the news is hardly time consuming.
Especially when you look at some items included which are called news, which are far from being so.

But no one has said anything about people not being allowed to protest and it was covered quite extensively by the media.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is not a football match or any such similar...there are no winning or losing sides...if we lose, then we all lose and if there are any 'wins' then we all win/no matter which way we voted...and there are no sour grapes either because if the grapes turn sour then they turn sour for all of us and all of our children...this referendum hasn't produced a result/a voice of a country, all it's produced is a divide of a country and how can a divide ever take us into something better.../divided we fall...

There has always been a divide over the EU which is why it took so long to get a referendum. The establishment feared the outcome.