[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

The voting majority of Scotland also wanted to remain part of the UK but that gets ignored so the snp can continue with thier one and only agenda.

No

Its in the SNP manifesto that if there was a material change in circumstances they could put up another ref bill

and then we got brexit..

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You do realise that England also still has a massive budget deficit... Right?

Of course, as I mentioned in my post its about half as much as Scotlands but actually I apologise I was wrong, Scotland's deficit is 3 times more the rest of the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...mes-greater-uk

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No

Its in the SNP manifesto that if there was a material change in circumstances they could put up another ref bill

and then we got brexit..

Lol, there was always going to be more referendums until they get what they want...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Lol, there was always going to be more referendums until they get what they want...

No, it was quite specifically set out in the manifesto.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://talkradio.co.uk/news/second-s...ins-1610135362


This explains it here

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No, it was quite specifically set out in the manifesto.

Yes set out that if circumstances changed etc etc but they were already talking about running another referendum when Nicola took over as if that was a big enough change, Brexit just gave them another excuse.

It's the SNP it's thier sole agenda......they will keep going until they get what they want continuously ignoring what the majority of Scotland actually wanted.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes set out that if circumstances changed etc etc but they were already talking about running another referendum when Nicola took over as if that was a big enough change, Brexit just gave them another excuse.

It's the SNP it's thier sole agenda......they will keep going until they get what they want continuously ignoring what the majority of Scotland actually wanted.

A party is elected on their manifesto and the electorate expect the promises i that manifesto to be lived up to

ergo..

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A party is elected on their manifesto and the electorate expect the promises i that manifesto to be lived up to

ergo..

Nah we both know that's not what happened LT.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes set out that if circumstances changed etc etc but they were already talking about running another referendum when Nicola took over as if that was a big enough change, Brexit just gave them another excuse.

It's the SNP it's thier sole agenda......they will keep going until they get what they want continuously ignoring what the majority of Scotland actually wanted.

I think you are right Josy and I think they are being incredibly reckless with Scotland's future, particularly now with their huge deficit and tanked oil prices. I think SNP supporters are blinkered to what they stand to lose by thinking the SNP are their best mates and won't do them wrong. They are politicians with an agenda.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As i have said, this is a negotiation tactic first and foremost with brexit in mind

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

As i have said, this is a negotiation tactic first and foremost with brexit in mind

Blackmail in politics is pretty unpleasant isn't it?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Josy

Yes set out that if circumstances changed etc etc but they were already talking about running another referendum when Nicola took over as if that was a big enough change, Brexit just gave them another excuse.

It's the SNP it's thier sole agenda......they will keep going until they get what they want continuously ignoring what the majority of Scotland actually wanted.

If the majority of people didn't want the SNP to be in Holyrood then the SNP wouldn't be in Holyrood. The same Scottish people voted them in... You can't have it both ways. If people were so strongly against Scottish independence then an independence-focussed party would have had no chance?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Scotland. Their government has control over its own spending. Scotland has free prescriptions, England, Wales and NI don't. Scotland have free University education. Due to the Barnett formula more is spent on each Scottish person than any country in the union. Scotland is hardly an oppressed entity under the jackboots of Westminster.
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Hmm sounds like jealousy to me. If England wants free prescriptions, no tuition fees, higher spending etc then all they need to do is vote for a party with those policies

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Hmm sounds like jealousy to me. If England wants free prescriptions, no tuition fees, higher spending etc then all they need to do is vote for a party with those policies

Haha don't be silly, we want cuts to those dirty benefit scroungers and job thieving immigrants, the decimation of the NHS, the collapse of the education system so it can return to Great Old Days of the 60s, the rescinding of workers rights, and the tacit allowance of those avoiding taxes to continue! En-ger-land! Brexit! Grrr!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Hmm sounds like jealousy to me. If England wants free prescriptions, no tuition fees, higher spending etc then all they need to do is vote for a party with those policies

Absolutely, why wouldn't those of us with a poorer deal envy those who have it good. The problem is you don't recognise how good you have it. It won't last leaving the UK.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Haha don't be silly, we want cuts to those dirty benefit scroungers and job thieving immigrants, the decimation of the NHS, the collapse of the education system so it can return to Great Old Days of the 60s, the rescinding of workers rights, and the tacit allowance of those avoiding taxes to continue! Eng-er-land! Brexit! Grrr!

I wonder if you even know anything about the Europe you are clamouring for. You seem to have a problem with the dirty brexit voters. That kind of puts what you are saying on a par with the values of the bigoted attitudes you think you are verbally berating.

[bots]

The SNP are in power, democratically elected. They have overwhelming support in Scotland. People know very clearly what the SNP want, there is no doubt that their prime objective is independence. If the Scottish people felt that being part of the union was a done deal, never to be raised again, they wouldnt have followed that vote up by supporting the SNP again. If the SNP want to request a referendum every 6 months, they can do it, and the people will decide soon enough if they want the question to be repeated again and again or not.

[James]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I don't see the SNP threatening to deport EU citizens who have made a life for themselves in the UK like the the Tories are. Wanting independence for your country isn't xenophobia at all.

They won't say it out loud because they are too clever as politicians.

But if Scotland was independent there would be equivalent situations where people from the rest of the UK couldn't be educated here, work here or trade here as freely as before etc.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The SNP are in power, democratically elected. They have overwhelming support in Scotland. People know very clearly what the SNP want, there is no doubt that their prime objective is independence. If the Scottish people felt that being part of the union was a done deal, never to be raised again, they wouldnt have followed that vote up by supporting the SNP again. If the SNP want to request a referendum every 6 months, they can do it, and the people will decide soon enough if they want the question to be repeated again and again or not.

As I said before the Scottish government give the people a lot in regard to welfare and benefits so people are lulled into a feeling that these are the good guys, looking out for them. Even though they are over spending on a massive scale to do it. The story would likely be very different without the rest of the UK as a safety blanket. Even with the UK as a back up I do wonder how long they can keep overspending on that scale before they have to make changes/cuts. Of course then they can conveniently blame the rest of the UK for the squeeze. Win-win.

[bots]

Originally Posted by jaxie

As I said before the Scottish government give the people a lot in regard to welfare and benefits so people are lulled into a feeling that these are the good guys, looking out for them. Even though they are over spending on a massive scale to do it. The story would likely be very different without the rest of the UK as a safety blanket. Even with the UK as a back up I do wonder how long they can keep overspending on that scale before they have to make changes/cuts. Of course then they can conveniently blame the rest of the UK for the squeeze. Win-win.

well, they have a budget, that has more and more autonomy, they are free to prioritise its use more and more freely. If they go in to debt, then its for them to get themselves out of debt like any other country. Plenty country's have attempted to spend their way out of austerity, and Scotland has the autonomy to do that if it wishes. That's their political decision.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by James

They won't say it out loud because they are too clever as politicians.

But if Scotland was independent there would be equivalent situations where people from the rest of the UK couldn't be educated here, work here or trade here as freely as before etc.

According to who?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Hmm sounds like jealousy to me. If England wants free prescriptions, no tuition fees, higher spending etc then all they need to do is vote for a party with those policies

And just how long do you expect all these wonderful benefits to continue for the Scots, once Scotland gains independence from the rest of the UK, and is confronted by the twin realities of no more UK billions and billions to pay to the EU?

[Johnnyuk123]

Scotland want independence yet will end up dependent on the corrupt EU for handouts if in fact they do achieve that goal and... only IF the corrupt EU allows them back in.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

And just how long do you expect all these wonderful benefits to continue for the Scots, once Scotland gains independence from the rest of the UK, and is confronted by the twin realities of no more UK billions and billions to pay to the EU?

So independence for the UK from the larger EU = hope, positivity and freedom while independence from Scotland from the larger UK = no chance / harsh realities? Hmmm. Surely anyone who truly believes in Brexit should champion Scottish independence (independence from the UK but also not remaining in the EU / re-entering).

[LaLaLand]

She does my head in.