[arista]

Transgender Folks must stay Out of UK Jails
sadly 4 have Died



Ref: BBC World News TV 5:42AM

[Wizard.]

Were they murdered or did they commit suicide?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Were they murdered or did they commit suicide?

Both I assume

[Livia]

Maybe they could desist from breaking the law, then they wouldn't have to go to prison. It's a radical idea, I know...

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe they could desist from breaking the law, then they wouldn't have to go to prison. It's a radical idea, I know...

Maybe if society was more accepting and they were able to have an upbringing with less abuse they may have felt better about themselves and not feel cornered and they may be less likely to commit crimes. It's a radical idea, I know...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Maybe if society was more accepting and they were able to have an upbringing with less abuse they may have felt better about themselves and not feel cornered and they may be less likely to commit crimes. It's a radical idea, I know...

Here's a bit of shocking news... They are not the only people who have abuse and problems in their life. Or are you trying to say they are entitled to break the law because they have a hard time?

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Livia

Here's a bit of shocking news... They are not the only people who have abuse and problems in their life. Or are you trying to say they are entitled to break the law because they have a hard time?

Nope, what I'm saying is many LGBT teens are kicked out on the street at 16, and are homeless and see crime as their way out. This happens because they are different and get abuse from uneducated dumb crowds. I don't see how placing transgendered people with these same people who are often the cause of them going into crime is exactly rehabilitation. I'm not saying they should get special treatment, I think they should however be placed in correct/better prisons or even safer places in the prisons, because transgendered people are definitely going to be targetted by the other inmates. [I've had 3 hours sleep, so not very coherent but can't think of the actual word]

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Nope, what I'm saying is many LGBT teens are kicked out on the street at 16, and are homeless and see crime as their way out. This happens because they are different and get abuse from uneducated dumb crowds. I don't see how placing transgendered people with these same people who are often the cause of them going into crime is exactly rehabilitation. I'm not saying they should get special treatment, I think they should however be placed in correct/better prisons [I've had 3 hours sleep, so not very coherent but can't think of the actual word]

This argument falls apart though unless you also believe gay men should be put somewhere different to male prisons, as they have also been discriminated against and such by the people they are housed with

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Nope, what I'm saying is many LGBT teens are kicked out on the street at 16, and are homeless and see crime as their way out. This happens because they are different and get abuse from uneducated dumb crowds. I don't see how placing transgendered people with these same people who are often the cause of them going into crime is exactly rehabilitation. I'm not saying they should get special treatment, I think they should however be placed in correct/better prisons or even safer places in the prisons, because transgendered people are definitely going to be targetted by the other inmates. [I've had 3 hours sleep, so not very coherent but can't think of the actual word]

Yeah, it's more that currently they're getting a far worse treatment than they should be subjected to but by doing something about it, you're ensuring they get the same treatment as other prisoners. It's not offering them a special benefit, it's just ensuring they serve the sentence they've been given for their crimes (which surely is the whole point in the justice system).

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Nope, what I'm saying is many LGBT teens are kicked out on the street at 16, and are homeless and see crime as their way out. This happens because they are different and get abuse from uneducated dumb crowds. I don't see how placing transgendered people with these same people who are often the cause of them going into crime is exactly rehabilitation. I'm not saying they should get special treatment, I think they should however be placed in correct/better prisons or even safer places in the prisons, because transgendered people are definitely going to be targetted by the other inmates. [I've had 3 hours sleep, so not very coherent but can't think of the actual word]

We're not talking about lesbians and gay people, we're talking specifically about transgener people... and they are not the only ones to be kicked out at 16. All sorts of people from all sorts of backgrounds have a bad start. Nothing excuses them breaking the law... not anything.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe they could desist from breaking the law, then they wouldn't have to go to prison. It's a radical idea, I know...

Christ
I love listing things people did wrong after their suicide.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Christ
I love listing things people did wrong after their suicide.

You give up your right to make demands once you've broken the law, in my opinion, whatever your gender, whatever your sexual preference. If transgenders are particularly at risk - which they are not looking at the statistics - then put them in isolation for their own protection. But why is it so much more tragic that a transgender person commits suicide than it us for the others who commit suicide in custody? Answer: It's not, they are all tragic cases.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Maybe they could desist from breaking the law, then they wouldn't have to go to prison. It's a radical idea, I know...

It's the fault of the prisons for failing to protect their most vulnerable prisoners, whether it's suicide or murder, they have failed in their duty of care.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's the fault of the prisons for failing to protect their most vulnerable prisoners, whether it's suicide or murder, they have failed in their duty of care.

They have failed in their duty of care for decades... but it's only a problem when transgender people die?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

They have failed in their duty of care for decades... but it's only a problem when transgender people die?

When did I say that it's only a problem when it involves transgender people? In fact I used the words 'vulnerable people' which suggests that I'm talking about anyone at risk in a prison.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

When did I say that it's only a problem when it involves transgender people? In fact I used the words 'vulnerable people' which suggests that I'm talking about anyone at risk in a prison.

You didn't. But the tone of the thread suggests some people do. It's probably a groupthink thing.

[thesheriff443]

They can keep paedaphiles in separate wings they should be doing the same for trans gender.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They can keep paedaphiles in separate wings they should be doing the same for trans gender.

I agree with this. Would be best/safer all round.

Disclaimer. This does not mean I think transgender people are paedos.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I agree with this. Would be best/safer all round.

Disclaimer. This does not mean I think transgender people are paedos.

I am TRIGGERED by this info vicky!!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I am TRIGGERED by this info vicky!!

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They can keep paedaphiles in separate wings they should be doing the same for trans gender.

I think it should certainly be an option for them. I'm all for punishing people who commit crimes but it should be the punishment they are sentenced to, not a punishment dished out by other inmates and that's something trans people are often subjected to. Ideally we wouldn't need this solution but there's no denying the problem exists.

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

They should be locked up in mental institutions.

Why?

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If this is about the latest 'transgender' suicide...the guy only just started 'identifying' as a woman right after the crime, murdered someone, hasn't had SRS yet expected to go to the female prison.

Also much fuss is being made over the 'high' numbers of transgender suicides whilst ignoring the extremely high number of suicides in general in prisons.

It would be interesting to know the stats. The rate of suicides amongst transgender people is far higher than the norm overall but I'm not sure what it is specifically with prisoners.

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They can keep paedaphiles in separate wings they should be doing the same for trans gender.

No WAY
They do not have the room.

If you are a Trans
Never break the Law
Never go to a UK prison
Stay Alive

[UserSince2005]

They should be locked up in mental institutions.

[Vicky.]

If this is about the latest 'transgender' suicide...the guy only just started 'identifying' as a woman right after the crime, murdered someone, hasn't had SRS yet expected to go to the female prison.

Also much fuss is being made over the 'high' numbers of transgender suicides whilst ignoring the extremely high number of suicides in general in prisons.

[Denver]

You cant just bypass all laws committed by Trans people because prisons are not safe if they dont commit the crime they wont be punished