[arista]

"These petitions are bit reactionary,"


Yes James
Nothing is Going to Change.


Respect The Law Of The Land
June Trump will Fly In

Time to sell more Hats..............

[Brillopad]

Do I believe what I hear when those that have the nerve to talk of 'stifling free speech' are quite happy to stifle away with abusive comments to others when it suits. Yep I do as that kind of hypocrisy is commonplace in many threads.

[joeysteele]

I doubt this petition will change anything other than draw attention to the issue.

For me the offer of the visit was premature.
This man in my view is a dangerous President, I'd have been cordial but not so arms open wide to him.

[Withano]

Trump will enter the UK with the knowledge that he inspired several protests and the 2nd largest petition in UK's history.
Im not sure if he cares yet, he was handed a ****-tonne of power, but his allies are against him, his enemies are against him even more so than before, and half of his own country is against him. His power will subside, and I do believe the UK are among the first of many to send this message.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Withano

Trump will enter the UK with the knowledge that he inspired several protests and the 2nd largest petition in UK's history.
Im not sure if he cares yet, he was handed a ****-tonne of power, but his allies are against him, his enemies are against him even more so than before, and half of his own country is against him. His power will subside, and I do believe the UK are among the first of many to send this message.

I had no expectations when I signed that petition and no expectations when I joined the protesters last night. What that petition and protest has done for me is show unity and unity is important in times like this. Its heartening to know that millions feel the same way we do and its reassuring to know that people will stand up and fight for democracy.

American Muslims and relatives of American Muslims presently have no voice of their own. We are that voice.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I had no expectations when I signed that petition and no expectations when I joined the protesters last night. What that petition and protest has done for me is show unity and unity is important in times like this. Its heartening to know that millions feel the same way we do and its reassuring to know that people will stand up and fight for democracy.

American Muslims and relatives of American Muslims presently have no voice of their own. We are that voice.

Yeh, I signed the petition with the same thought process - im pretty sure that they decided against debating the - anti-we're gonna look through your internet history- petition despite it getting enough signatures?.. A message from a million people is enough of a reason to do it though for me. There is simply no way that Trump and May don't know about it. And that's progress.

[user104658]

TBQFH I think this is a red herring. As I said on Livia's thread, for one, the wording of the petition about offending the poor little queen makes me puke. I am against not just our monarchy, but the very concept of royalty and everything it stands for.

Secondly... as awful as Trump is... what makes him truly awful is the fact that he is the president of the United States, and all of the implications that come with that. In terms of world leaders in general, if we're comparing them like-for-like, if you're going to ban Trump you'd have to ban about 80% of the rest of them too ...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TBQFH I think this is a red herring. As I said on Livia's thread, for one, the wording of the petition about offending the poor little queen makes me puke. I am against not just our monarchy, but the very concept of royalty and everything it stands for.

Secondly... as awful as Trump is... what makes him truly awful is the fact that he is the president of the United States, and all of the implications that come with that. In terms of world leaders in general, if we're comparing them like-for-like, if you're going to ban Trump you'd have to ban about 80% of the rest of them too ...

I agree with you TS. Someone alert the media...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

TBQFH I think this is a red herring. As I said on Livia's thread, for one, the wording of the petition about offending the poor little queen makes me puke. I am against not just our monarchy, but the very concept of royalty and everything it stands for.

Secondly... as awful as Trump is... what makes him truly awful is the fact that he is the president of the United States, and all of the implications that come with that. In terms of world leaders in general, if we're comparing them like-for-like, if you're going to ban Trump you'd have to ban about 80% of the rest of them too ...

Nicely put. Sort of what I meant when I said there were others who have a worse record but you kind of said it better I think. Nice to be able to agree with you for a change though I will say the pomp and ceremony of royalty isn't bad for the tourist industry.

Baying mobs look pretty ignorant, whatever they are baying about.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Nicely put. Nice to be able to agree with you for a change though I will say the pomp and ceremony of royalty isn't bad for the tourist industry.

My feeling on that one is that disbanding the monarchy would have very little effect on the tourist industry vs having a historical monarchy, and it even opens up the possibility of truly opened up tourist hotspots in ex-royal buildings. I am far from convinced that the relatively modest money the Active Royal Tourism industry brings in justifies the subliminal sociological message that the concept of Royalty / "hereditary superiority" oozes into the public mindset. I think it by design is supposed to remind us that we are "less than"... and I have major issues with that, for any amount of money. I whole-heartedly believe that every individual is at least BORN equal, whether they're being neglected in a mouldy tower block or cherished like Precious Little George.

...but this is pretty majorly off topic so...

[Kizzy]

There are some bigly trump fans who think it bigly important this leader of the free world with all his prejudices comes to the UK.

[Kizzy]

Surprised at the opposition to the term 'trump loyalist' as a corbyn fan I've been accused of being everything from loyal to obsessed to loony, yet another double standard set.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Surprised at the opposition to the term 'trump loyalist' as a corbyn fan I've been accused of being everything from loyal to obsessed to loony, yet another double standard set.

Let me explain it for you. You are a fan of Corbyn, are you not? You are on the Left, you have said so yourself. Conversely, I am not a fan of Trump and neither are a lot of people being lumped into the "Trump Loyalist" pigeon hole. And furthermore, you've done a fair bit of name-calling yourself over the years as I recall.

You can object to Trump's visit for whatever reason you, or anyone else has. I think that, looking at the other despots we've schmoozed over the years, the reaction to Trump's visit is hysterical. And I can say that without calling anyone derogatory names.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let me explain it for you. You are a fan of Corbyn, are you not? You are on the Left, you have said so yourself. Conversely, I am not a fan of Trump and neither are a lot of people being lumped into the "Trump Loyalist" pigeon hole. And furthermore, you've done a fair bit of name-calling yourself over the years as I recall.

You can object to Trump's visit for whatever reason you, or anyone else has. I think that, looking at the other despots we've schmoozed over the years, the reaction to Trump's visit is hysterical. And I can say that without calling anyone derogatory names.

This is very accurate. I know youre no trump fan Liv, but you have brought some much needed balance and perspective to the topic

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let me explain it for you. You are a fan of Corbyn, are you not? You are on the Left, you have said so yourself. Conversely, I am not a fan of Trump and neither are a lot of people being lumped into the "Trump Loyalist" pigeon hole. And furthermore, you've done a fair bit of name-calling yourself over the years as I recall.

You can object to Trump's visit for whatever reason you, or anyone else has. I think that, looking at the other despots we've schmoozed over the years, the reaction to Trump's visit is hysterical. And I can say that without calling anyone derogatory names.

Please don't start accusing me of things... None on the despots were the western leader of the free world were they? let's keep some perspective.

Being called a loyalist isn't derogatory, you are having a somewhat hysterical reaction to this whole issue if you ask me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Please don't start accusing me of things... None on the despots were the western leader of the free world were they? let's keep some perspective.

Being called a loyalist isn't derogatory, you are having a somewhat hysterical reaction to this whole issue if you ask me.

Putin is a world leader. Xi Jinping is a world leader. There's your perspective, right there. Unless you consider these not world leaders because they are not "western".

You can't tell other people what they may find derogatory. The term "Trump loyalist" was used in a derogatory way. It's all about intent, you know.

Furthermore, the double-standards you've been claiming look ridiculous when you look at your sig... and then remember that you've quoted the DM. You were cunning to remove your original posts but you can't remove it when people quoted it. I can post it if you like.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Putin is a world leader. Xi Jinping is a world leader. There's your perspective, right there. Unless you consider these not world leaders because they are not "western".

You can't tell other people what they may find derogatory. The term "Trump loyalist" was used in a derogatory way. It's all about intent, you know.

Furthermore, the double-standards you've been claiming look ridiculous when you look at your sig... and then remember that you've quoted the DM. You were cunning to remove your original posts but you can't remove it when people quoted it. I can post it if you like.

Notice my use of the word 'free' there...

I'd say you're just nit picking to be frank, there are people who appear to be trump loyalists ... what's wrong with voicing that?

I may have quoted the DM in the past, who cares? Not sure why you've hijacked this thread to discuss it :/

[DemolitionRed]

1.8 million and counting!

[the truth]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

1.8 million and counting!

and 235000 have signed to let him in, in just 48 hours https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

and 235000 have signed to let him in, in just 48 hours https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

The fools that want him blocked
only get one day Trump debate in Parliament

Do they not know that?????

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

and 235000 have signed to let him in, in just 48 hours https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

That's less that a quarter of what the other petition made in 48 hours.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's less that a quarter of what the other petition made in 48 hours.

Who cares - no one really takes it seriously snyway. No one is going to stop Trump coming.

[MrTheMan]

Trump...

I don't want him visiting my country, he looks like an Asian man who had his face dipped in dangerous acid.

[arista]

Yes a Day debated in Parliament DR

Never mind about all the local problems MP's had
Your WASTE OF TIME
TRUMP DAY in the UK Parliament is now set for one day.

[MrTheMan]

This palaver wouldn't happen if Hillary won the presidency, instead we have to put up with someone who looks like an Asian guy who had his face dipped in dangerous acid and talks like a mafia tough-guy.