[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

You will do as your told.

We will decide how your business is run.

We are the dictators.



Basically.

All opinions come with consequences, if you are going to be bigoted in a business setting then you'll have to potentially deal with a lawsuit since you are breaking discrimination laws.

It's quite worrying that you see people facing consequences for discrimination as signs of a dictatorship in all honesty. Quite worrying indeed.

Originally Posted by Cherie

I look forward to the day bakers with Islamic faith are treated the same as other faiths in these situations 135,000 for trauma

They would be treated the same if it was the same situation IE religious owners of a non-religious business. If the owners of the original story's bakery was called 'Sweet Cakes Christian Bakery' then it would be foolish to expect them to make a cake that would fly in the face of their belief but it isn't a Christian Bakery.

Originally Posted by Cherie

So a question to all who support this ruling, would you go into a Hindu run bakery and demand they make you a cake with eggs in it? OR would accept that they don't bake cakes with eggs and go elsewhere rather than forcing your wishes on them?

I think that's a silly inflamatory hypothetical situation.

If the business itself wasn't Hindu based then I'd expect them to make cakes with eggs since it would suggest they aren't devout since they wouldn't open a general bakery otherwise as they'd be expected to work with eggs every day, they'd probably opt for a specialist bakery instead and if that's the case, complaining about a lack of eggs would be like going to a vegetarian restaurant and getting mad about them not serving meat products.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So a question to all who support this ruling, would you go into a Hindu run bakery and demand they make you a cake with eggs in it? OR would accept that they don't bake cakes with eggs and go elsewhere rather than forcing your wishes on them?

That's very different tbf, eggs haven't fought against discrimination in quite the same way gays have

Originally Posted by smudgie

Live and let live I say.
If it goes against their religion then aren't they being discriminated again for their beliefs?
If you go to a shop, any shop that can't supply what you want then you just move on to another, it doesn't have to be an issue unless you want to make it one....and certainly shouldn't be paid out for any feeling of hurt, indignity or trauma,( trauma, FFS)

It wasn't as though the shop "can't" supply them though, it's that they refused to on grounds of their sexuality. Can you imagine if a shop owner refused to serve someone based on their race? I think, yeah it's just a cake, and yes the amount of money seems a bit ridiculous, but there's no denying they were being discriminatory, and people who are going to run a business in a discriminatory fashion shouldn't be running a business.. And they aren't being discriminated against because of their beliefs, their beliefs contradict with business law and they made the decision to run a business. They can't simply expect the law to change or for them to be immune from it because of their personally held beliefs. And they aren't actually being stopped from having their beliefs, they are entitled to practise their religion however they want as anyone else is able to.... as long as it doesn't infringe on the law. They can still believe that gay marriage is wrong, they just can't refuse sale to someone based on their sexuality when they're supposed to be serving the general public... 'live and let live' would be something that I think they could do well to consider.

[Vicky.]

See..look at this then look at the 'first' (meaning first well publicized case) of these type cases..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19991266

A gay couple who were turned away from a bed and breakfast were discriminated against, it has been ruled.

Michael Black and John Morgan were refused a double room at Swiss Bed and Breakfast in Berkshire by its owner.

The pair from Brampton, Cambridgeshire, were awarded Ł1,800 each at Reading County Court for "injury to feelings".

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

See..look at this then look at the 'first' (meaning first well publicized case) of these type cases..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19991266

I dont think theyre incredibly similar stories.. one couple was finalising wedding plans, the other couple just wanted to have a romantic night (presumably).
Being turned away for the former does seem more traumatic/emotional to me.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont think theyre incredibly similar stories.. one couple was finalising wedding plans, the other couple just wanted to have a romantic night (presumably).
Being turned away for the former does seem more traumatic/emotional to me.

It is not hard to get a wedding cake though. I actually think the gay couple would have had more 'distress' as imagine rocking up somewhere thinking you could stay there then having to find somewhere else that night. The cake could have been done at any stage

Either example would probably just be a case of..walking a little further down the road or something mind. And both are clearly wrong (businesses not customers). Just...so much fuss made of a cake, ****s sake I got mine 3 days before my wedding after original person cancelled and the sky didn't cave in

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It is not hard to get a wedding cake though. I actually think the gay couple would have had more 'distress' as imagine rocking up somewhere thinking you could stay there then having to find somewhere else that night. The cake could have been done at any stage

Either example would probably just be a case of..walking a little further down the road or something mind. And both are clearly wrong (businesses not customers). Just...so much fuss made of a cake, ****s sake I got mine 3 days before my wedding after original person cancelled and the sky didn't cave in

But although it is just driving a little further, it is still discrimnation based on sexuality. Its not appropriate to to suggest that gay people should be prepared to go to places with the knowledge that they may be turned away and told to go somewhere else because of their sexuality, whereas a straight couple would never need to go through this for the exact same reason. There shouldnt be this difference, business owners should be fined if they believe differently.
It isnt just a cake or a hotel room, its also discrimination

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

But although it is just driving a little further, it is still discrimnation based on sexuality. Its not appropriate to to suggest that gay people should be prepared to go to places with the knowledge that they may be turned away and told to go somewhere else because of their sexuality, whereas a straight couple would never need to go through this for the exact same reason. There shouldnt be this difference, business owners should be fined if they believe differently.
It isnt just a cake or a hotel room, its also discrimination

Indeed.

[VanessaFeltz.]

What if the baker went to a doctor when she has a serious illness and doctor told her that they wont be helping her because she is religious and she should pray the illness away?

This is something those bakers should think about.

[smudgie]

Live and let live I say.
If it goes against their religion then aren't they being discriminated again for their beliefs?
If you go to a shop, any shop that can't supply what you want then you just move on to another, it doesn't have to be an issue unless you want to make it one....and certainly shouldn't be paid out for any feeling of hurt, indignity or trauma,( trauma, FFS)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Live and let live I say.
If it goes against their religion then aren't they being discriminated again for their beliefs?
If you go to a shop, any shop that can't supply what you want then you just move on to another, it doesn't have to be an issue unless you want to make it one....and certainly shouldn't be paid out for any feeling of hurt, indignity or trauma,( trauma, FFS)

Far too much common sense there Smudgie

[arista]

I assume Now Trump
is in power
some bakers will
stick to Man and Women Married cakes
ONLY again.

If you are Gay
go to another bakers - there are loads of them.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by arista

I assume Now Trump
is in power
some bakers will
stick to Man and Women Married cakes
ONLY again.

If you are Gay
go to another bakers - there are loads of them.

When will people understand this is more than just cakes..............

This is about someone telling your face that they wont serve you because you are gay. There is no ifs and buts, these people are basically telling your face that you are not worthy of getting serviced based off something you cant control and a part of you.

Everyone have beliefs. It is not just about religion, some people think homosexuality is wrong, some people think religion is **** and religious people are lunatic. Everyone has an opinion on everything. That doesnt mean you have a right to voice EVERYTHING to peoples faces. For example when i found out majority of my classmates were wearing hijab i was very annoyed and i judged them. Did i ever make them uncomfortable by discriminating them or sprouding hateful words at their faces? No and i gave them equal chances to meet and get to know and couple of them turned out to be very liberal, lovely and smart people and we have become good friends.

When that hideous ugly ****** Melissa told their faces that they wont be serving them because they are a homosexual couple when they were SO happy that they were having one of the happiest days of their lives after living through discrimination and hate starting from their CHILDHOOD when they did nothing wrong. Imagine the feeling they had.. everyone lives through discrimination and hatred would feel ****ing awful after seeing this. This isnt about the money this is about them feeling the way they made those people felt.

[Ronald.]

Originally Posted by VanessaFeltz.

When will people understand this is more than just cakes..............

This is about someone telling your face that they wont serve you because you are gay. There is no ifs and buts, these people are basically telling your face that you are not worthy of getting serviced based off something you cant control and a part of you.

Everyone have beliefs. It is not just about religion, some people think homosexuality is wrong, some people think religion is **** and religious people are lunatic. Everyone has an opinion on everything. That doesnt mean you have a right to voice EVERYTHING to peoples faces. For example when i found out majority of my classmates were wearing hijab i was very annoyed and i judged them. Did i ever make them uncomfortable by discriminating them or sprouding hateful words at their faces? No and i gave them equal chances to meet and get to know and couple of them turned out to be very liberal, lovely and smart people and we have become good friends.

When that hideous ugly ****** Melissa told their faces that they wont be serving them because they are a homosexual couple when they were SO happy that they were having one of the happiest days of their lives after living through discrimination and hate starting from their CHILDHOOD when they did nothing wrong. Imagine the feeling they had.. everyone lives through discrimination and hatred would feel ****ing awful after seeing this. This isnt about the money this is about them feeling the way they made those people felt.

Never thought I'd say these words but I agree with Vanessa Feltz. R

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by Ronald.

Never thought I'd say these words but I agree with Vanessa Feltz. R

Why

[Ronald.]

Are we still talking lesbian cakes? R

[arista]

"When will people understand this is more than just cakes.............."

Of Course it is VF.

But in USA some states are not like LA or NYC.

[Kizzy]

Why are we talking about Muslims again?... Every topic it's 'but what about the Muslims!?'...
This isn't about them, I think it's established that it would be as bad if they acted as these bakers did.

No, it's the wonderful and tolerant Christians.