[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

I don't want it to go back to basics in the sense of like BB4 for example. I just mean there shouldn't be twists every single week, it should be edited and produced in the style of BB5-BB10, live feed should be brought back to bring back former viewers and bring in new ones, and the rules should be consistent again. Maybe a few tweaks here and there to keep the show feeling fresh.

I'll always support the return of live feed, even more so under US rules.

But I just don't think any of that would be enough anymore? I did one or two years ago...but the rot is so deep now that they effectively have to create a brand new show to give the impression that it's not the same old one anymore.

Having said all of this though, if the promotion isn't there for whatever kind of series they come up with, it will flop. I genuinely believe that's half the reason BB18 faired so bad, there was no promotion and so no basis upon which to begin.

Originally Posted by RileyHollyoaks

mess, but they won't listen

VTE is the worst, and it shows looking at your list

I know right

Originally Posted by Greg!

also jack half of those people on your list of public vote eviction results are trash anyway

But you see this is just it, if the eviction orders work for you then the public vote is great! They almost never do for me, hence why I think it's one of the most counterproductive parts of the format

I should point out that the people on that list are there because I believe in every case there was at least one person who deserved to leave over them, whether I supported them or not is irrelevant

[EspeonBB]

Tragic public taste is more responsible for terrible evictions than the voting format imo

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Greg!

Anyone could go back and list dozens of bad results in BBUS, it doesn't prove one format is better one way or the other.

I'll go and do it if someone wants me to compare, but like I said, if someone gets evicted under US rules at least it's 99.9% of the time their own fault and through their own doing. I can accept that far more than I can when a favourite of mine in BBUK is evicted because they're a woman and/or dared to actually participate in the series

I also think having no public vote is more true to the ~social experiment~ that Big Brother is supposed to be

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

Tragic public taste is more responsible for terrible evictions than the voting format imo

I completely agree with that, if we had the Canadian audience it (generally) wouldn't be so bad. The problem is you can't replace the viewers so we're stuck with their terrible eviction voting, thus the only way you can salvage that is by ridding them of their power

[Oaker]

I mean like someone else said earlier, if it moved online there would probably be a much younger viewing demographic and since everyone blames catladies for some of the worst results surely that would solve that problem?

(Also VTS is terrible and rewards attention seeking and overall ****ty behaviour)

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Oaker

I mean like someone else said earlier, if it moved online there would probably be a much younger viewing demographic and since everyone blames catladies for some of the worst results surely that would solve that problem?

Exactly! I'd absolutely love Netflix or Amazon to pick it up

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Oaker

I mean like someone else said earlier, if it moved online there would probably be a much younger viewing demographic and since everyone blames catladies for some of the worst results surely that would solve that problem?

(Also VTS is terrible and rewards attention seeking and overall ****ty behaviour)

They're only half the problem, if you asked me this in 2013 I'd say TiBB's taste would be decent enough to produce a good eviction order, it certainly isn't anymore. Let's also not forget that many younger casual viewers tend to support attractive males just for the sake of it

Also Big Brother isn't a charity or a morality contest, so there's no rewarding of anything

[iRyan]

I think this would be great. Certainly a bigger production budget as well.

[Marsh.]

"I would be much happier with a channel that did not have Big Brother on it."

Wow, with comments like that do people still believe when they "Want it to do well" and are "listening to the fans".

If they don't want it, I'd rather they just stopped making it.

But if they honestly think anybody is interested in channel 5's "homegrown" content they are deluded.

[Marsh.]

Tbf, BBCan isn't 20 years into its run with the novelty factor well and truly over and past its best.

It may make sense for them financially to provide free feeds. BBUK is dead in the water really.

[James]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Some of them are sure, the point I'm making is they in no way deserved to be evicted over the people they were up against

The public vote sucks because the actual right person hardly ever leaves

Surely, the public are more likely to keep the annoying-but-entertaining housemates, than the other housemates who have to live with them.

In the traditional format it's the housemates who nominate the big-character housemates in the first place. That why so many of that type of housemate leave in public votes.

Making the show into one about strategy and making alliances might stop that, if you didn't keep the public vote, but I think that kind of show would get boring quite quickly. That's not what Big Brother is all about, in my opinion.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tbf, BBCan isn't 20 years into its run with the novelty factor well and truly over and past its best.

It may make sense for them financially to provide free feeds. BBUK is dead in the water really.

Of course, but BBUS still provides them for a subscription 19 seasons in, as do many other countries around the world. There is no justification whatsoever - other than C5's long-running desperation to run this show into the ground - to not provide a live stream, which was the original premise of Big Brother.

Originally Posted by MTVN

But the idea is that each housemate is subject to the scrutiny of not just the other housemates but also the viewing audience, it's what involves us in the show and gives the public a chance to shape it. I get that a lot of people aren't always happy about the eviction results that leads to but its still a fundamental part of the show. Its why it's not as simple to have a 'gameplan' in BBUK as it might be in BBUS.

It has been for BBUK, sure, but the method of evictions isn't included in the premise of Big Brother itself (though you may not have implied that in your last post tbf).

I don't agree with your last sentence. Having a gameplan in BBUK is completely straightforward. You enter the house, you befriend everyone, you do not rock the boat, you don't get nominated (and if you do you make sure you say nothing so as to fly under the radar and escape eviction under VTE), you make the final week, then suddenly appear, play up the 'nice guy/girl' schtick, and hey presto you've won £100k. In actuality your biggest obstacle to winning BBUK these days is some ridiculous twist the producers have decided upon hours before the eviction shows.

In BBUS your social and strategic game are everything. You need to convince your houseguests that you're loyal enough to trust, likeable enough to award $500k to on finale night, yet not so much so that you become a threat to their chances of winning. You need to win competitions at the right time or risk being seen as a threat, and be able to nominate and evict people without burning their jury vote. There's a hell of a lot more to it.

Originally Posted by James

Surely, the public are more likely to keep the annoying-but-entertaining housemates, than the other housemates who have to live with them.

In the traditional format it's the housemates who nominate the big-character housemates in the first place. That why so many of that type of housemate leave in public votes.

Making the show into one about strategy and making alliances might stop that, if you didn't keep the public vote, but I think that kind of show would get boring quite quickly. That's not what Big Brother is all about, in my opinion.

You would hope so, re. the first point - and it's something I say day in, day out during every on season - but it just doesn't happen. VTE is a system which encourages people to think they too are living with the housemates and so they vote negatively, it's counterproductive. I agree about the normal nominations process being part of the problem since housemates will always nominate those who annoy them - in many ways it supersedes the public vote in that sense (which is why it should change!).

To be fair, there are other reasons for this (namely the CEO of CBS being married to the host) - but BBUS looks likely to continue way beyond BBUK, so I wouldn't agree it could get boring quickly. The reason I watch Big Brother is because I enjoy watching strangers living in a house (and being able to 24/7), locked away from the outside world and having to interact with each other (which is what I see the premise of the show as being). The format of the show is secondary, I just happen to prefer the US one as I think it's more interesting, isn't counterproductive to the entertainment value of the series, and is actually more of a social experiment than if you have the public involved. If it's just the housemates left to their own devices rather than having public influences, there's nothing purer a social experiment than that.

[Marsh.]

Oh I agree they've ran it into the ground.

But I also agree that BBUS probably has a hell of a lot more willing viewers to pay for a subscription feed. I don't see it being all that popular over here.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh I agree they've ran it into the ground.

But I also agree that BBUS probably has a hell of a lot more willing viewers to pay for a subscription feed. I don't see it being all that popular over here.

That is a fair point, but whilst I realise any network is a business, I still don't think you should take on a format like Big Brother which has at its heart an understanding that you can watch it play out 24 hours a day (an innovation at the time), and remove that - whether it made a loss or not. There are many ways they could save money in order to fund a subscription feed.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

That is a fair point, but whilst I realise any network is a business, I still don't think you should take on a format like Big Brother which has at its heart an understanding that you can watch it play out 24 hours a day (an innovation at the time), and remove that - whether it made a loss or not. There are many ways they could save money in order to fund a subscription feed.

And on that I'll agree completely. They shouldn't have taken on the show if they're not willing to do it properly and include everything it entails. If they feel they can't afford to fund such an endeavour, or don't have the resources, schedule space or whatever reason they're using this year they shouldn't have taken it on.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

And on that I'll agree completely. They shouldn't have taken on the show if they're not willing to do it properly and include everything it entails. If they feel they can't afford to fund such an endeavour, or don't have the resources, schedule space or whatever reason they're using this year they shouldn't have taken it on.

At last I agree with someone in this thread!

C5 have systematically and slowly destroyed every fibre of this once wonderful programme, it makes me sad. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed certain series on C5, I have, but they were certainly not thanks to them. The show is now a laughing stock not just to the commentariat, but even to its biggest fans. It's a disgrace.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

At last I agree with someone in this thread!

C5 have systematically and slowly destroyed every fibre of this once wonderful programme, it makes me sad. That's not to say I haven't enjoyed certain series on C5, I have, but they were certainly not thanks to them. The show is now a laughing stock not just to the commentariat, but even to its biggest fans. It's a disgrace.

[Marsh.]

I'd much rather we went back to the heart of BBUK.

Watching people living together and trying to sort out their own differences whilst being picked off one by one by the viewers.

It would be a nightmare for it to become "strategy". I don't watch BBUS but even I am bored of the number of times you hear those words and other similes when watching clips.

BB15 illustrated how annoying it could be with the Power Housemate nonsense we endured for the first three weeks or so.

[Ross.]

Until Jack deletes this man from his avatar and sig no one take him seriously

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ross.

Until Jack deletes this man from his avatar and sig no one take him seriously

#TheTeam at TiBB Mattress tho

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Ross.

Until Jack deletes this man from his avatar and sig no one take him seriously

nothing wrong with Matt

[Maxxie.]

it would probably be a vote on the BB app and it would probably be free as well as Netflix don't rely on ads.

[Osjama]

When Ben frow talks about his channels integrity when one of the biggest shows on the channel right now is a love island ripoff cwl

I hope Netflix get it as I think they could do something amazing with the series

[pontyboi]

Out of curiosity how is BBUSA rating these days?

[supertv247]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Out of curiosity how is BBUSA rating these days?

Series 18 averaged 5.8 which was the lowest ever, the current series is averaging just over 6m which isn't bad but still the lowest after last year. It's been gradually declining since 2011 (8m) but seems to have found a base now

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by supertv247

Series 18 averaged 5.8 which was the lowest ever, the current series is averaging just over 6m which isn't bad but still the lowest after last year. It's been gradually declining since 2011 (8m) but seems to have found a base now

I actually just wikid it and didn't realise how short it was literally some series are only 30 days.