[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Obviously, but why make it easy for them?

There are a million ways to die, doesn't mean we can't take steps to make our lives and homes as safe as possible.

Guns have actually saved peoples lives too.

I'm not saying you don't have an argument, I'm just saying it's not as straight forward as you think.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Guns have actually saved peoples lives too.

I'm not saying you don't have an argument, I'm just saying it's not as straight forward as you think.

Yes, it is straight forward.

Stop allowing any tom, dick and harry to own a gun.

Guns have claimed more lives than they've saved.

They have their use, they have their purpose but it doesn't mean they should be widely available for everyone.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by lewis111

I'm not trying to be political - only mentioning this because it was jut brought up on BBC
Trump made no comments at all about gun control in his speech today - something Obama did after almost every shooting but Was never able to tack action thanks to republicans and the NRA (often the same thing)

Like how Obama would never address islamic terrorism for what it was?

Gun control would only do so much, as criminals don't care about rules or regulations.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Like how Obama would never address islamic terrorism for what it was?

Gun control would only do so much, as criminals don't care about rules or regulations.

Exactly, guns would still exist, but it would be the criminals who have them and the law-abiding citizens unable to defend themselves.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Exactly, guns would still exist, but it would be the criminals who have them and the law-abiding citizens unable to defend themselves.

That's a silly excuse.

We have strict gun laws in this country which don't stop certain criminals getting hold of them, but due to the laws the crimes that occur with them are few and far between.

A free for all for everyone to "protect themselves" does anything but.

Yes, there are other weapons mentally deranged people could opt for in their place. But few of them would wreak as much damage as a shower of bullets.

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Like how Obama would never address islamic terrorism for what it was?

Gun control would only do so much, as criminals don't care about rules or regulations.

No but guns make it so easy for them to kill people
Thousands of lives would've been saved by now if every day people didn't have access to guns in America
You don't hear of mass killings every week in any other western country apart from US and that's for 1 reasons


Also Obama never defend Islamic Terror like Trump did White Supremacits and Neo-Nazis

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by lewis111

No but guns make it so easy for them to kill people
Thousands of lives would've been saved by now if every day people didn't have access to guns in America

Right, and now those guns are out there. If a law was put out that everyone had to hand in their guns, who do you think would be left defenseless?

Also Obama never defend Islamic Terror like Trump did White Supremacits and Neo-Nazis

When did he do that?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Right, and now those guns are out there. If a law was put out that everyone had to hand in their guns, who do you think would be left defenseless?


When did he do that?

Who mentioned collecting all of the guns?

They're discussing gun CONTROL.

The state does not require firearms owners to have licenses or register their weapons and Nevada does not limit the number of firearms an individual can possess;

Does this sound like sensible gun CONTROL to you?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

When did he do that?

He said there were - very fine people on both side.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-sides/537012/

[Alf]

Body language expert taking apart his brothers interview.

Youtube video

[lewis111]

"Guns don't kill people" yes because we always see Maniacs with knives stabbing 600 PEOPLE in a single attack
GUNS KILL PEOPLE HE COULDNT KILL THEESE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by lewis111

"Guns don't kill people" yes because we always see Maniacs with knives stabbing 600 PEOPLE in a single attack
GUNS KILL PEOPLE HE COULDNT KILL THEESE PEOPLE WITHOUT THEM

Look up maynmar killings.

[GiRTh]

Nothing will be done about gun control. If they do nothing after after Sandy Hook then nothing will be done this time.

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Nothing will be done about gun control. If after Sandy Hook then nothing will be done this time.

It would take the loss of many republicans in power's loved ones for anything to even start being discussed tbh

[lewis111]

Anyone who says guns should still be allowed in US after attacks like this clearly has no sympathy for any of the people who lost their lives as you are ok with this happening again as you know for a fact it will

[Marsh.]

Anyway, the laws will never be changed and control will never be forged as it's not in the interest of the corrupt governments.

[Rob!]

I don't even understand how "guns have saved lives" can be used as an argument when it is a device specifically designed to end lives.

[lewis111]

I'm not going to critize Trump's speech apart from the lack of gun control mention just now as we don't know if this was ISIS, Neo-Nazi or mental illness
I will however assume that if it turns out to be ISIS he will mention that or be harder on it than he would Neo-Nazi but I hope he proves me wrong

[Northern Monkey]

The US will never be able to ban all guns because they’d start a civil war trying to disarm everyone.It’d be an almighty bloodbath.
However imo they should stop the sale of fully automatic weapons full stop even to license holders,except for shooting ranges maybe.
Wtf does somebody need a fully auto M16 or AK47 for?Or even LMG’s like M60’s.What could they possibly be hunting to warrant that kind of firepower?
I read that it is’nt easy to get a full auto assault rifle and it is very expensive but it’s obviously happening.
The scale of this couldn’t happen with a normal semi auto AR15 or hunting rifle and the shooter would have to be more precise especially from that range,Not just spray and pray.

[Smithy]

Shots being fired at uni of south California atm

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by smithy

shots being fired at uni of south california atm

[UserSince2005]

Absolutely ridiculous, horrific, nothing they could do but hope they were the lucky ones. sitting ducks.
At least if the coward had been on the ground they could of stopped him sooner.
ISIS will be taking notes.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Absolutely ridiculous, horrific, nothing they could do but hope they were the lucky ones. sitting ducks.
At least if the coward had been on the ground they could of stopped him sooner.
ISIS will be taking notes.

So very very true.

[lewis111]

Oh and the thing in California isn't true it doesn't seem as people at the college have stated so

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shares in gun manufacturing rose today