[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think the difference is that one company ( Virgin) is choosing to renounce something that is associated with fascistic views and one ( the bakers) demanded the right to enforce their fascistic views, neither of which have a place in civilised modern society.

If you want to argue for the rights of people to be as fascistic as they want, go for it.

and who decides what and what isnt "fascist"?


oh, its you

[Shaun]

I'd have thought this is all a fuss over nothing when train stations more often than not have multiple shops that, presumably, stock the paper anyway Don't think I've ever seen anyone buy a paper on a train.

[user104658]

Hmm. For my own stance, I actually don't feel any differently about the bakery situation.

I can't remember the exact specifics but my stance on it is, if they refused to sell someone a generic or advertised cake because that person is gay (or any other arbitrary reason) then they are breaking the law.

However, if they were simply refusing to make a CUSTOM cake then - while I personally think they are backwards and bigoted for doing so - yes I would still say that it is 100% their business if they want to say "No, we don't sell that / can't do that".

Saying "We don't sell that" is COMPLETELY different to saying "I will not sell something that we do sell to YOU, because of something about you."

Now again I will say that it would be perfectly just if everyone else decided not to shop at the bakery again and they went bust because of their decision... But that's their business decision to make.

Same goes for the trains. If Virgin loses money because of not selling the Daily Mail then that's the risk they decided to take. It's not censorship, or fascism, or anything of the sort and if DM readers believe that things like public transport providers should be forced to be politically neutral... Then they should probably stop supporting the party (the Tories) that sold them off to private entities in the first place, and continue to try to sell off everything else.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmm. For my own stance, I actually don't feel any differently about the bakery situation.

I can't remember the exact specifics but my stance on it is, if they refused to sell someone a generic or advertised cake because that person is gay (or any other arbitrary reason) then they are breaking the law.

However, if they were simply refusing to make a CUSTOM cake then - while I personally think they are backwards and bigoted for doing so - yes I would still say that it is 100% their business if they want to say "No, we don't sell that / can't do that".

Saying "We don't sell that" is COMPLETELY different to saying "I will not sell something that we do sell to YOU, because of something about you."

Now again I will say that it would be perfectly just if everyone else decided not to shop at the bakery again and they went bust because of their decision... But that's their business decision to make.
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This was my take on it too.From what a remember of it the couple were apparently fairly regular customers.They weren’t refused service because they’re gay.They were just wanting a product that the bakery didn’t offer.If the bakery lost business because of their decision then it’s their own fault.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This was my take on it too.From what a remember of it the couple were apparently fairly regular customers.They weren’t refused service because they’re gay.They were just wanting a product that the bakery didn’t offer.If the bakery lost business because of their decision then it’s their own fault.

Was a while back, but I am fairly sure it was a custom cake, which the bakery did offer but they were not willing to put the message on, which was something (again from memory) about celebrating gay marriage..so it was the message they were asked to put on that they disagreed with, not that the customer was gay.

Seems daft though to refuse to put a message on a ****ing cake, just because you disagree with it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Was a while back, but I am fairly sure it was a custom cake, which the bakery did offer but they were not willing to put the message on, which was something (again from memory) about celebrating gay marriage..so it was the message they were asked to put on that they disagreed with, not that the customer was gay.

Seems daft though to refuse to put a message on a ****ing cake, just because you disagree with it.

Yeah that was the product they didn’t offer...gay messages on cakes.
Up to them imo.They design the cakes.It’s their product.
Daft to us but if it’s against their religion then i think it’s wrong to force them into it.That’s religious discrimination.
Let the people vote with their wallets and not spend their cash in there anymore.

[Vicky.]

Just found the thread about it. Was a Bert and Ernie cake they wanted ( ), with a message about gay marriage
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru....php?p=7025032

If thats the same one

[Jamie89]

Virgin Trains to resume Daily Mail sales

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42687568

Richard Branson is saying he didn't know about the decision to stop selling it

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Virgin Trains to resume Daily Mail sales

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42687568

Richard Branson is saying he didn't know about the decision to stop selling it

i think someone has had their knuckles pounded with a brick

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Virgin Trains to resume Daily Mail sales

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42687568

Richard Branson is saying he didn't know about the decision to stop selling it

wtaf

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Virgin Trains to resume Daily Mail sales

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42687568

Richard Branson is saying he didn't know about the decision to stop selling it

How strange

I think this has definitely been a PR stunt in this case now tbh. Just to get a bit of attention for Virgin and maybe even to get sales of the mail up as now people will make sure they buy them so that this does not happen again. bravo

[joeysteele]

What a farce.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What a farce.

Nope - trying to control public choice was the farce.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Common sense at last

A victory for freethinkers everywhere

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Common sense at last

A victory for freethinkers everywhere

Indeed.

[Withano]

Whiney righty snowflakes ruining everything tbh