[Bones]

Originally Posted by montblanc

well said

brown noser.

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

Lmao

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

1. Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields.

2. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

1. Christophobia very much exists. Approx 3000 christians were killed for their faith, in 2017 alone.

This is very real and equally as serious as any other type of persecution.



2. "A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority."

Discrimination is discrimination.
No matter what the population 'majority/minority' statistics are.
You don't hurt any more or less, according to the number of people in the area who fit your 'type'.

To say that one group of people can be victims and another group can't be victims - that is discriminating in itself.

Who decides these 'groups' anyway?

We are all individuals, with our individual experiences.
We are all a minority - of one.
And as individuals, we stand equal. That's the whole point of equality, a level playing field of individuals.

It's not equality when you start to segregate people off into groups or 'types', and then 'rate' those 'types' according to your world view: putting one 'type' above the other.
It's exactly what racists do: see people not as individuals, but as 'types' and then rate them according to their world view.
We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap of segregating and judging people by our own stereotypical 'types', even if we do mean well.

The individuals of the majority have the same equal rights as the individuals of the minority - or what's the point?

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[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

1. Christophobia very much exists. Approx 3000 christians were killed for their faith, in 2017 alone.

This is very real and equally as serious as any other type of persecution.



2. "A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority."

Discrimination is discrimination.
No matter what the population 'majority/minority' statistics are.
You don't hurt any more or less, according to the number of people in the area who fit your 'type'.

To say that one group of people can be victims and another group can't be victims - that is discriminating in itself.

Who decides these 'groups' anyway?

We are all individuals, with our individual experiences.
We are all a minority - of one.
And as individuals, we stand equal. That's the whole point of equality, a level playing field of individuals.

It's not equality when you start to segregate people off into groups or 'types', and then 'rate' those 'types' according to your world view: putting one 'type' above the other.
It's exactly what racists do: see people not as individuals, but as 'types' and then rate them according to their world view.
We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap of segregating and judging people by our own stereotypical 'types', even if we do mean well.

The individuals of the majority have the same equal rights as the individuals of the minority - or what's the point?

.

Once again an excellent comment

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Once again an excellent comment

cheers chuff

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Robodog

1. Christophobia very much exists. Approx 3000 christians were killed for their faith, in 2017 alone.

This is very real and equally as serious as any other type of persecution.



2. "A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority."

Discrimination is discrimination.
No matter what the population 'majority/minority' statistics are.
You don't hurt any more or less, according to the number of people in the area who fit your 'type'.

To say that one group of people can be victims and another group can't be victims - that is discriminating in itself.

Who decides these 'groups' anyway?

We are all individuals, with our individual experiences.
We are all a minority - of one.
And as individuals, we stand equal. That's the whole point of equality, a level playing field of individuals.

It's not equality when you start to segregate people off into groups or 'types', and then 'rate' those 'types' according to your world view: putting one 'type' above the other.
It's exactly what racists do: see people not as individuals, but as 'types' and then rate them according to their world view.
We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap of segregating and judging people by our own stereotypical 'types', even if we do mean well.

The individuals of the majority have the same equal rights as the individuals of the minority - or what's the point?

.

Too right

It’s like this warped view that some people have that minorities can’t be racist.Or white people can’t experience racism.

I experienced much racism as a white person when i went to school in an Asian area.
Cars of twenty something blokes slowly driving past in cars spitting at me and shouting ‘white bastard’ amongst other things.

Not to mention this ‘Christophobia’ is’nt real.Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world.

This ranking peoples victimhood based on some ‘group’they happen to be part of flies in the face of true equality.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Too right

It’s like this warped view that some people have that minorities can’t be racist.Or white people can’t experience racism.

I experienced much racism as a white person when i went to school in an Asian area.
Cars of twenty something blokes slowly driving past in cars spitting at me and shouting ‘white bastard’ amongst other things.

Not to mention this ‘Christophobia’ is’nt real.Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world.

This ranking peoples victimhood based on some ‘group’they happen to be part of flies in the face of true equality.

Racism works both ways, there are areas in my town where white people daren't walk in fear of being spat at and told to leave" their area"

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

So maybe Withano was correct when he said that there could be a scale of homophobia.
My reason for asking about Christphobia was just an example.
It seems everything can be phobic nowadays so was wondering if that would be valid.
Perhaps the difference is one is a phobia and the other is an intolerance.
Live and let live I say, personally I can't see why anybody should be judged on their race or sexual preferences.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

So maybe Withano was correct when he said that there could be a scale of homophobia.
My reason for asking about Christphobia was just an example.
It seems everything can be phobic nowadays so was wondering if that would be valid.
Perhaps the difference is one is a phobia and the other is an intolerance.
Live and let live I say, personally I can't see why anybody should be judged on their race or sexual preferences.

Or demand special treatment for their"cause"

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Or demand special treatment for their"cause"

not sure I understand that Chuff.
The way is see it is people are just wanting to be treat as an equal, equality should be a right, not a cause.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Or demand special treatment for their"cause"

you're not even making sense anymore. You're just stuck on repeat.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Or demand special treatment for their"cause"

So wanting equality is demanding "special treatment"?

[Paula D]

Here's my take on it.

I DON'T CARE if Ann is a homophobe or not. It's up for debate certainly and there are various different viewpoints.

However I am sick to death of this HOW IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH IT hysterics.

Every second thread on here now is "so and so is a Homophobe". It's boring. Same with John Barnes who actually quite clearly is NOT a homophobe.

What on earth do gay people want from the world? That NO-ONE ever disagrees with them? Seriously? There's some growing up that needs to be done if you think you're going to go through this life without someone criticising you or not approving of you.

If you take it to heart every single time you're going to have a very hard life.

I'm also sick of hearing about Ann's vote against gay marriage. We live in a democratic society, she has a right to that vote the same as anyone else. If the referendum had failed I'd see a reason maybe for some resentment but it didn't fail so what's the problem?

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Here's my take on it.

I DON'T CARE if Ann is a homophobe or not. It's up for debate certainly and there are various different viewpoints.

However I am sick to death of this HOW IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH IT hysterics.

Every second thread on here now is "so and so is a Homophobe". It's boring. Same with John Barnes who actually quite clearly is NOT a homophobe.

What on earth do gay people want from the world? That NO-ONE ever disagrees with them? Seriously? There's some growing up that needs to be done if you think you're going to go through this life without someone criticising you or not approving of you.

If you take it to heart every single time you're going to have a very hard life.

I'm also sick of hearing about Ann's vote against gay marriage. We live in a democratic society, she has a right to that vote the same as anyone else. If the referendum had failed I'd see a reason maybe for some resentment but it didn't fail so what's the problem?

Yes indeed!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Here's my take on it.

I DON'T CARE if Ann is a homophobe or not. It's up for debate certainly and there are various different viewpoints.

However I am sick to death of this HOW IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH IT hysterics.

Every second thread on here now is "so and so is a Homophobe". It's boring. Same with John Barnes who actually quite clearly is NOT a homophobe.

What on earth do gay people want from the world? That NO-ONE ever disagrees with them? Seriously? There's some growing up that needs to be done if you think you're going to go through this life without someone criticising you or not approving of you.

If you take it to heart every single time you're going to have a very hard life.

I'm also sick of hearing about Ann's vote against gay marriage. We live in a democratic society, she has a right to that vote the same as anyone else. If the referendum had failed I'd see a reason maybe for some resentment but it didn't fail so what's the problem?

This is TIBB ,it happens every year ,if you don't follow the gang and support who they all blindly support you are either racist,homophobic,transphobic,sexist,xenophobic ........ This is why I like and defend who I choose not my mates in a chat room ,and Ive got to tag along or the "gang" may not like me ... How boring is that ? Its lovely to have your own mind ,and if they feel like throwing a "Bic" at me I will bat it off and carry on regardless

[Bones]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

This is TIBB ,it happens every year ,if you don't follow the gang and support who they all blindly support you are either racist,homophobic,transphobic,sexist,xenophobic ........ This is why I like and defend who I choose not my mates in a chat room ,and Ive got to tag along or the "gang" may not like me ... How boring is that ? Its lovely to have your own mind ,and if they feel like throwing a "Bic" at me I will bat it off and carry on regardless

Don't be fool now. You have to realize that you are phobic person and you need some help.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Here's my take on it.

I DON'T CARE if Ann is a homophobe or not. It's up for debate certainly and there are various different viewpoints.

However I am sick to death of this HOW IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH IT hysterics.

Every second thread on here now is "so and so is a Homophobe". It's boring. Same with John Barnes who actually quite clearly is NOT a homophobe.

What on earth do gay people want from the world? That NO-ONE ever disagrees with them? Seriously? There's some growing up that needs to be done if you think you're going to go through this life without someone criticising you or not approving of you.

If you take it to heart every single time you're going to have a very hard life.

I'm also sick of hearing about Ann's vote against gay marriage. We live in a democratic society, she has a right to that vote the same as anyone else. If the referendum had failed I'd see a reason maybe for some resentment but it didn't fail so what's the problem?

Absolutely spot on.

Has the younger generation never heard of DIVERSITY?

It makes the world go round, is up for discussion after discussion and stops dictatorship by one group over another.

It works both ways, gays have so much more freedom of expression, more than they ever had, they keep pushing the boundaries of acceptance but they will never get 100% how some people seem to expect and neither should they.

If they keep being more and more outrageous, they will find it unacceptable to others. Gays are no more righteous than anyone else in this because they are people at the end of the day and deserve no more or less than anyone else.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Absolutely spot on.

Has the younger generation never heard of DIVERSITY?

It makes the world go round, is up for discussion after discussion and stops dictatorship by one group over another.

It works both ways, gays have so much more freedom of expression, more than they ever had, they keep pushing the boundaries of acceptance but they will never get 100% how some people seem to expect and neither should they.

If they keep being more and more outrageous, they will find it unacceptable to others. Gays are no more righteous than anyone else in this because they are people at the end of the day and deserve no more or less than anyone else.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Paula D

Here's my take on it.

I DON'T CARE if Ann is a homophobe or not. It's up for debate certainly and there are various different viewpoints.

However I am sick to death of this HOW IS SHE GETTING AWAY WITH IT hysterics.

Every second thread on here now is "so and so is a Homophobe". It's boring. Same with John Barnes who actually quite clearly is NOT a homophobe.

What on earth do gay people want from the world? That NO-ONE ever disagrees with them? Seriously? There's some growing up that needs to be done if you think you're going to go through this life without someone criticising you or not approving of you.

If you take it to heart every single time you're going to have a very hard life.

I'm also sick of hearing about Ann's vote against gay marriage. We live in a democratic society, she has a right to that vote the same as anyone else. If the referendum had failed I'd see a reason maybe for some resentment but it didn't fail so what's the problem?

it appears on TiBB at least that perceived homophobic is ALOT worse than the poor treatment of women in the house if you judge it by the threads, the homophobia threads are pages long and Andrews treatment of women is barely raising a whisper

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it appears on TiBB at least that perceived homophobic is ALOT worse than the poor treatment of women in the house if you judge it by the threads, the homophobia threads are pages long and Andrews treatment of women is barely raising a whisper

True Cherie, double standards as per usual and lots of "Poor me " thrown into the mix

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it appears on TiBB at least that perceived homophobic is ALOT worse than the poor treatment of women in the house if you judge it by the threads, the homophobia threads are pages long and Andrews treatment of women is barely raising a whisper

You think TIBB care about women's rights?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You think TIBB care about women's rights?

Nope !!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You think TIBB care about women's rights?

well when it boils down no, makes a mockery of generally supporting female hms

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You think TIBB care about women's rights?

No, that's true. Funny how homosexuals expect women to back them in everything they do but don't give the same loyalty back.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Paula D

No, that's true. Funny how homosexuals expect women to back them in everything they do but don't give the same loyalty back.