[spacebandit]

^ utter hilarity - especially the selective re-editing and re-arranging quotes from different posts, and even then having to edit lines - it amuses me to watch racist apologists squabble around in desperation, and have to resort to such blatantly disingenuos methods.

Ah well - when you are an apologist for racist filth - you have to play by Dr Goebbels book. and Nodisharmony is no stranger to racism.

Originally posted by nodisharmony

The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!


nodisharmony

So you can say anything you like to anyone in a joke - fine go up to an asian in the street, call him a p__i, then say you were only joking, oh thats right - YOU won't. You are merely a coward apologist who wants this kind of behaviour condoned and deemed "acceptable"

Originally posted by nodisharmony


If Jade, Jo, Danielle, Jack had said something really nasty & racial. Making their opinions of what they think of Indian people and it was really horrible and obvious that any or all were racist(Full-Time), then I would understand this.

But that isn't the case and what evidence they do have, just won't wash and it is stupid and pointless and crazy.


nodisharmony

Like those Klu Klux Klan members, that - apologists say are "decent family men" looking after their homes and their families, glossing over the fact of the murder and the torture - that is how apologists work.

To say that these people are not to be condemned as racists because they are not racists "full time", is the same kind of excuse given to explain away racism the world over.

Only the racists and other like minded souls buy that revisionist garbage, always, as we have seen here - spouted by someone with an agenda, to carry on doing the very same thing, and inventing reasons and scenarios where it is acceptable to be racist.

Obvious, and low life in the extreme.

People like this, and I include the apologists, should be ostracised from civilised society - take their hate with them.

[Dr43%er]

"But last night MP Keith Vaz, who led the protests in Parliament, said: “C4 has behaved in an arrogant way. Andy Duncan should realise the contempt shown … now merits his resignation.” "

I liked it on channel 4's news when krishnan guru murthy pointed out to him that he (Vaz) did not resign when he broke parliamentary rules. " ah well I was suspended, that was different." Typical hypocritical **** from the self promoting twat.

I can't add anything that Space Bandit has all ready not on the other subject.

[S2]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
The fact is, this was a "Racist joke in disguise" Nothing nasty!! But just a joke, just like a comedian!
nodisharmony

Is the screws of your head in place and fitted on tight? Making a joke in the name of racism isn't a light matter, its is pure and simple RACIST.

Making their opinions of what they think of Indian people and it was really horrible and obvious that any or all were racist(Full-Time), then I would understand this.

So it would be ok for me to go upto a white person and say "urhh white skin is nasty, so pale and pasty, they look like the living dead" because I can easily justify it with saying "oh i'm just expressing my opinion, nothing racist about it and I meant no harm

[Stu]

Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan

Is the screws of your head in place and fitted on tight? Making a joke in the name of racism isn't a light matter, its is pure and simple RACIST.

No its not. Here is a quick list of stuff in the media that makes fun of other races just by looking at the dvd's and whatnot on the table next to me.

Family Guy
South Park
The simpsons
Futurama
That 70's show
Scrubs
Big Brother
[Adult Swim]
WWE Raw
WWE Smackdown
The discworld novels


List goes on. Making jokes in the name of racism is completely normal and accepted in society. So I think nodisharmonys head was screwed on right when she said that . The world can have a joke and we dont need fanatics like you bringing stuff down.

[S2]

Most of the shows you have mentioned are pre-recorded. CBB isn't such a show. They could have easily edited out the racist bits which we could have clearly done without. You might be one to support racism and watch certain shows and LOL with the alleged "jokes" but not me

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stu

No its not. Here is a quick list of stuff in the media that makes fun of other races just by looking at the dvd's and whatnot on the table next to me.

Family Guy
South Park
The simpsons
Futurama
That 70's show
Scrubs
Big Brother
[Adult Swim]
WWE Raw
WWE Smackdown
The discworld novels


List goes on. Making jokes in the name of racism is completely normal and accepted in society. So I think nodisharmonys head was screwed on right when he said that . The world can have a joke and we dont need fanatics like you bringing stuff down.

A very good point regarding the different shows which contain racist-jokes, etc..Stu

In the 70's there was a series called, "Love Thy Neighbour", many people enjoyed that series then and even now. It is a available to buy on DVD today.

But today, anything which contains Racist jokes is being scrutinized too. This is why Endemol had no choice but to instruct Big Brother to call (Jo & Jack) to the diary room and give them both formal warnings and explain why.

Beyond those interviews, Endemol edited the "Limerick" out of the show, "So the Daily Star tells us"

My head is screwed on right and to anyone who thinks otherwise, I shall laugh & laugh at the ****

Shilpafan is a Shilpafan and as a Shilpafan will support Shilpa and as two white housemates have cracked a joke, using the word:- "Tacky", (Jo O'Meara & Jack Tweed) obviously meaning the word (P), who are also friendly to two other housemates too, (Jade Goody & Danielle Lloyd) who have been brought into this "jest", as they are together on the dislike towards Shilpa Shetty, as they found her quite patronising and other stuff....

Anyway, I can understand Shilpafan's dislike of this racist joke ! and she is entitled to her opinion, as do other members, who may feel the same or differently.

This is where Endemol used their nouse at this point, so it wouldn't end up offending anyone, as it was edited out.

But like, Stu & myself has said, "Racist jokes have become acceptable in society", "for as long as I know"

If it wasn't? Then everything to do with "Racist jokes" would be totally BANNED, but it isn't...

Type in the (P) word & then put (Dot Com):- "That is:- .com" and you will be shocked at that website.

This goes to show that it is accepted on the web.







nodisharmony

[Dr43%er]

Stu, most of the shows you have listed use race either as a parody of other shows of do it in a satirical way. The cbb contestants would not know satire if it kicked them in the nuts. They were just looking for words that rhyme with "****" for a laugh and did not care for the affects it may have had on others. If there was no harm in what they were doing then why not do it in front of Shilpa? Because they knew it was wrong.

[Dr43%er]

"In the 70's there was a series called, "Love Thy Neighbour","

Once again Warren Mitchell was using satire to take the piss out of white working class people who held the same views as "Alf Garnet". In a recent interview he talked about how people who still have those views come up to him thinking Alf Garnet was a real person and a hero for their kind.

With regards to ****.com That is young people of Pakistani decent claiming the word back for themselves. In the same way some black people use "******" and some gays use "fag" This is not "Shocking". Does that mean you can use "******" and "fag"?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Shilpa_Fan
Most of the shows you have mentioned are pre-recorded. CBB isn't such a show. They could have easily edited out the racist bits which we could have clearly done without. You might be one to support racism and watch certain shows and LOL with the alleged "jokes" but not me

Well if you do not want to support the TV show that brought this racism to our screens , dont watch Big Brother 8. Its as simple as that.

This racism row was not a big deal at all , it could have gone unoticed , but it just so happened that the papers picked it up. Racism. Boo Hoo. Big deal. I have no time for these zealots who months later are still going on about it , effectivly spreading the word of racism.

You want to see it as racism? Fine , but get over it and look at the bright side of life.

The indian people did themselves no favours by appearing on the news burning effegys. Thats promotion of hate , and I think you will agree its not much better than racism.

[Dr43%er]

"The indian people did themselves no favours by appearing on the news burning effegys. Thats promotion of hate , and I think you will agree its not much better than racism. "

I agree with you.

"Racism. Boo Hoo. Big deal"

Yes it is actually.

I note you have the gay pride flag as your pic. Homophobia. Boo Hoo. Big deal?

Oh, I have no problem with big brother. Just hate mongers.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"The indian people did themselves no favours by appearing on the news burning effegys. Thats promotion of hate , and I think you will agree its not much better than racism. "

I agree with you.

"Racism. Boo Hoo. Big deal"

Yes it is actually.

I note you have the gay pride flag as your pic. Homophobia. Boo Hoo. Big deal.

Err pretty much yeah for me. Because ive never encountered it personally , and I see no reason to give any sort of thought , care or recognition to homophobic people. Look on the bright side.

So yeah. Boo Hoo. Big deal.

[Dr43%er]

So when it does happen, say you or a partner gets "gay bashed" you will still think the same or is it just a case of I'm all right jack. Not having a go. just wondering.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
So when it does happen, say you or a partner gets "gay bashed" you will still think the same or is it just a case of I'm all right jack. Not having a go. just wondering.

I would not give much of a **** to it to be perfectly honest. Whats the point in dwelling in the grey areas of life. Come with me to May , and together lets put the bloody racism row behind us .

[Dr43%er]

If this had been your partner/friend, would you still not give a ****




Jody Dobrowski
Mr Dobrowski, 24, was killed on Clapham Common
The 24-year-old, originally from Gloucestershire, was targeted at the well-known gay "cruising" spot for no other reason than his sexuality.

The attack was shocking in its violence, leaving Jody's body so badly battered he had to be identified by his fingerprints.

Sentencing his killers, the Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, said: "He suffered considerably before his death."




If you are strong enough to rise above it then all credit to you.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
If this had been your partner/friend, would you still not give a ****




Jody Dobrowski
Mr Dobrowski, 24, was killed on Clapham Common
The 24-year-old, originally from Gloucestershire, was targeted at the well-known gay "cruising" spot for no other reason than his sexuality.

The attack was shocking in its violence, leaving Jody's body so badly battered he had to be identified by his fingerprints.

Sentencing his killers, the Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, said: "He suffered considerably before his death."




If you are strong enough to rise above it then all credit to you.

Here is my stance. Could it happen? Yeah. but their are also people out their who could do the same to YOU for no reason AT ALL [theirs some sick cats out their].

So the way I see it , its safe to assume the likelyhood of it happening is slim , so I see no reason to worry about it.

And should somehting like that ever happen , ill worry about it when it does.

[Dr43%er]

"And should something like that ever happen , ill worry about it when it does. "

So it would be a big deal then?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"And should something like that ever happen , ill worry about it when it does. "

So it would be a big deal then?

Course it would. And I know what your getting to. Yes the racism row did happen , and yes it was a big deal , but none of us were directly involved and it was , I dunno , about 4 months ago???

[Dr43%er]

taking it to the extreme.

Yes the holocaust did happen , and yes it was a big deal , but none of us were directly involved and it was , I dunno , about 59 ago???

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
taking it to the extreme.

Yes the holocaust did happen , and yes it was a big deal , but none of us were directly involved and it was , I dunno , about 59 ago???

Yeah but we are talking about a few million jews getting killed versus one indian getting lambasted on British television because she overcooked a chicken.

[Dr43%er]

I did say I was taking it to the extreme

[Stu]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
I did say I was taking it to the extreme

Hehehehehe. Well enough about the holocaust , BB8 is on in 4 days! .

[nodisharmony]

Trying to figure this out?? A battle? I think?

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"But last night MP Keith Vaz, who led the protests in Parliament, said: “C4 has behaved in an arrogant way. Andy Duncan should realise the contempt shown … now merits his resignation.” "

Keith Vaz is a politician and will naturally have his own view and opinion on the subject at hand. He has to follow certain rules naturally, but like all politicians, he will have his own mind. Channel 4 has behaved in the way they have chosen to behave. If Keith has a problem, then he shall have to address it in his way. Resignations are little to do with this issue

I liked it on channel 4's news when krishnan guru murthy pointed out to him that he (Vaz) did not resign when he broke parliamentary rules. " ah well I was suspended, that was different."

Keith Vaz may be slippery at times, but once again, it hardly matters at all, in fact, (One Bit) Channel 4 news always takes every issue seriously and questions politicians and enjoys it. Hopefully they can make a mistake and the Newspapers will jump on them. They have to be careful

Typical hypocritical **** from the self promoting t***.

Shame, but tough

I can't add anything that Space Bandit has all ready not on the other subject.

Wise Been there, done it, wore the T-Shirt. Yes, very much known by those

Most of the shows that were listed use race either as a parody of other shows of do it in a satirical way.

They still contain Racism of some sort and are quite available to all. Watershed or No Watershed

The cbb contestants would not know satire if it kicked them in the nuts.

Psychic, are you

They were just looking for words that rhyme with "pa*i" for a laugh and did not care for the affects it may have had on others.

The housemates in question were jesting without Shilpa being present. It is very obvious, that none of these four in question would ever choose to say it in front of Shilpa. Many people talk and spread nasty horrible things about a person behind their backs, not just in CBB either So many should practice what they are preaching today & before. I would certainly say that it was in the form of a jest-joke and Endemol edited out, so no harm done.

If there was no harm in what they were doing then why not do it in front of Shilpa?

They do as they please and Shilpa should respect that some don't particularly like her

Because they knew it was wrong.

That is debatable

"In the 70's there was a series called, "Love Thy Neighbour","

I never watched it personally, but I am aware of it's content

Once again Warren Mitchell was using satire to take the p**s out of white working class people who held the same views as "Alf Garnet".

Popular, at the time!

In a recent interview he talked about how people who still have those views come up to him thinking Alf Garnet was a real person and a hero for their kind.

That goes for baddies in soap opera's. Some people believe anything you know

With regards to pa**.com That is young people of Pakistani decent claiming the word back for themselves.

But that is not always obvious to everyone. Some people assume that it is just the shortened version of Pakistani. Many will assume that it doesn't offend others that much. I remember at the time, on the local and national TV news, when a few Indian people were interviewed on the street, many considered the furore to be NOT so bad. Lot's are broadminded and don't take life too seriously regarding this (P) word either

In the same way some black people use "ni*ger" and some gays use "f*g" This is not "Shocking".

We all notice that in Rap music and Gay people will also have different views on the "f*g" word too

Does that mean you can use "ni*ger" and "f*g"?

People do all kinds of things

"The indian people did themselves no favours by appearing on the news burning effegys. Thats promotion of hate , and I think you will agree its not much better than racism. "

I agree with you.

"Racism. Boo Hoo. Big deal"

Yes it is actually.

Those who burn effegys are fanatical people. Some people are like that in England, aren't they But they don't burn effegys, they just make a small situation into something much bigger. Racism exists, but condoning it is wrong, it shouldn't happen, agreed!! But as there was no racism in CBB5, except a few words and comments which may have been construed to some as having possible racial overtones, nothing more, nothing less. The Limerick issue, is being sorted now. Once again, nothing severe

I note you have the gay pride flag as your pic. Homophobia. Boo Hoo. Big deal?

What Stu decides to have on his Avatar pic is neither-here-nor-there as regards to CBB5 or this topic.

Oh, I have no problem with big brother. Just hate mongers.

Big Brother exists, whether you like it or not. But hatemongers, well, they exist too and many hate Jade Goody, so you must hate them too, agreed!!!

So when it does happen, say you or a partner gets "gay bashed" you will still think the same or is it just a case of I'm all right jack.

Nobody can answer that question politically correct. We all protect ourselves you know, just like everyone involved & entering the CBB house. Protection is everything

Not having a go.

No

just wondering.

hmmm

If this had been your partner/friend, would you still not give a ****

As above......Some things come first, you know.

Jody Dobrowski
Mr Dobrowski, 24, was killed on Clapham Common
The 24-year-old, originally from Gloucestershire, was targeted at the well-known gay "cruising" spot for no other reason than his sexuality.

The attack was shocking in its violence, leaving Jody's body so badly battered he had to be identified by his fingerprints.

Sentencing his killers, the Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, said: "He suffered considerably before his death."

I'm feeling sleepy

"And should something like that ever happen , ill worry about it when it does. "

So it would be a big deal then? ."

Trying to trap someone doesn't always work

taking it to the extreme.

Sometimes it is necassery to give an extreme example, to place an un-important situation in a shadier light

Yes the holocaust did happen , and yes it was a big deal , but none of us were directly involved and it was , I dunno , about 59 ago???

The Holocaust was terrible!!! so was 9/11, but CBB5 race furore, I don't think it was that bad really

I did say I was taking it to the extreme

I would certainly say that is true twicely











nodisharmony

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Stu

No its not. Here is a quick list of stuff in the media that makes fun of other races just by looking at the dvd's and whatnot on the table next to me.

Family Guy
South Park
The simpsons
Futurama
That 70's show
Scrubs
Big Brother
[Adult Swim]
WWE Raw
WWE Smackdown
The discworld novels


List goes on. Making jokes in the name of racism is completely normal and accepted in society. So I think nodisharmonys head was screwed on right when she said that . The world can have a joke and we dont need fanatics like you bringing stuff down.

In a word "context"

South Park for instance has had plenty to say on the subject of race, but contextualised and not just as a spiteful attempt to denigrate and belittle another ..

Thats the difference

[Stu]

Originally posted by spacebandit

In a word "context"

South Park for instance has had plenty to say on the subject of race, but contextualised and not just as a spiteful attempt to denigrate and belittle another ..

Thats the difference

Ive been through this argument loads of times , could not really be bothered doing it again , and if you want my point of view look at my previous posts , or alternativly I can sum up the entire race row in threee words...

Get over it...

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Stu

Ive been through this argument loads of times , could not really be bothered doing it again , and if you want my point of view look at my previous posts , or alternativly I can sum up the entire race row in threee words...

Get over it...

A production featuring racism as entertainment, even though it may have a "message" in context is one thing.

But you accept it by real people towards real people in the name of your edification and entertainment.



Through a mirror..... and darkly