[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Antparker
Endemol
The Producers of the show

Endemol, I missed of the list, simply because, their team of editors(moderators) did not edit out material which many, many thousand of people noticed and complained about.

Of course, there will be a much higher figure who new it was offensive, but simply never phoned at all.

So, Endemol are not the victims, they are the cause.

But Channel 4 are also responsable for broadcasting the show on their channel.

Something fishy in the water, I know





nodisharmony

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
But, if Endemol had edited this offensive footage out, there would never had been any death-threats.

May be.... but should we be denied the truth of what happened. They did what they did and there is no gettinga away from it.

The law will protect them and rightly so from such people.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Endemol, I missed of the list, simply because, their team of editors(moderators) did not edit out material which many, many thousand of people noticed and complained about.

You could say they were victims of Gobby's and Co too.

The girls said what they said and we now have a problem. If they hadn't done what they did then things would be fine.

They are to blame.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon

You could say they were victims of Gobby's and Co too.

The girls said what they said and we now have a problem. If they hadn't done what they did then things would be fine.

They are to blame.

Well, what we have before us is this:-

(What came first, the chicken or the egg?)

If I say "Chicken", then someone else will say the "Egg"

Both are in the saying and there is no getting away from that. But Big Brother 8 is what is important, agreed





nodisharmony

[Red Moon]

Yes it is and too big to be spoilt by silly people saying silly things.

But they did say silly things. They were out of order. They are the main cause of any rule changes. They didn't have to do what they did. They had the choice not to be bullies. They decided to be bullies.

If they hadn't have acted they way they did then everything would be fine. You can't get away from that. They didn't t and now we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

They must take responsibility for their actions. Until they do we can have no respect for them. They can't continue to pass the blame.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Endemol, I missed of the list, simply because, their team of editors(moderators) did not edit out material which many, many thousand of people noticed and complained about.

nodisharmony

What you are suggesting is revisionism. Denying the truth to continue your agenda.

You are suggesting that it is OK for Gobby to be a manipulative racist bully as long as she doesn't get caught doing it and people get together to hide her actions and shield them from scrutiny

The equivalent is this :

someone comes up to you in the street and gives you the beating of your life

You identify the attacker, you inform the police

She denies it, and gets witnesses to say she was 50 miles away

Your attacker is never prosecuted because she re-wrote history [from the outsiders perspective]

Does that make her less guilty ?

Should she be punished ?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit


What you are suggesting is revisionism.

Am I?

Denying the truth

I state the truth and state facts and very educated near facts

to continue your agenda.

My agenda in this instance is to prove to some, that Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd have been treated unfairly during and after CBB5

You are suggesting that it is OK for Gobby to be a manipulative racist bully

Jade Goody is not a manipulative racist bully, those are your words, not mine

as long as she doesn't get caught doing it and people get together to hide her actions and shield them from scrutiny

Jade Goody was seen by many, many thousand people saying the words and comments that were construed by some as containing possible racial over-tones. We've been over this before Endemol should have recognized this and edited it out. It is their job, you know Scrutiny is a dangerous word. Especially over-scrutiny Take a look at Davina McCall's interview with C.Church. Things to learn there

The equivalent is this :

someone comes up to you in the street and gives you the beating of your life

You identify the attacker, you inform the police

She denies it, and gets witnesses to say she was 50 miles away

Your attacker is never prosecuted because she re-wrote history [from the outsiders perspective]

Does that make her less guilty ?

Should she be punished ?

Was there violence in CBB5...? (Try a better example, and I may be happy to accomodate, otherwise,





nodisharmony

[Sunny_01]

Right I have the power to lock all of these threads and I am not afraid to use it!

The thing that everyone is choosing to forget on here is repect for each others opinions. We are all only giving opinions based on skecthy media information and coverage.

No-one can say they are talking "fact" based on this so please respect each other please!!!

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Endemol should have recognized this and edited it out. It is their job, you know

Endemol wouldn't have had anything to edit out if Gobby and Co. had kept their big mouths shut.

So you can hardly blame it on them.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Yes it is and too big to be spoilt by silly people saying silly things.

But they did say silly things. They were out of order. They are the main cause of any rule changes. They didn't have to do what they did. They had the choice not to be bullies. They decided to be bullies.

If they hadn't have acted they way they did then everything would be fine. You can't get away from that. They didn't t and now we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

They must take responsibility for their actions. Until they do we can have no respect for them. They can't continue to pass the blame.

Silly things get said in the BB house. We have all witnessed this time & time again. Arguments and strong differences of opinions. "Spoiling it" is just the aftermath which was created by the result of Endemol's showing of carefully edited down footage.

The past furore was not a bullying furore, it was a race furore.

The way they acted was very clear to see, within the carefully edited footage shown, courtesy of BB's Endemol & their wizard editing team.

No more & No less than what we see in every BB & CBB ever shown with one great exception. (Shilpa Shetty)

Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd won't take all of the blame and never will.

The word, "We", only applies to those who dislike or hate either or all of them. Or dislike either or all of them.

The blame has been passed onto the editing team and Ofcom have Channel 4 sorted now & Endemol have come up with a New Rule book. But there is NO absolute clarification on this as yet.

So for now, we have to just hope that the old rule book applies.

As regards to respecting other opinions, in fact, all opinions. I am certainly agreeing to that situation

and the Jade Gobby banner which I see, certainly points out, "Respectfully, of course", that the member I am replying to, certainly dislikes Jade Goody a lot! (Respectfully, of course)




nodisharmony

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Silly things get said in the BB house. We have all witnessed this time & time again.

We agree.... by silly perople

The blame has been passed onto the editing team and Ofcom have Channel 4 sorted now & Endemol have come up with a New Rule book. But there is NO absolute clarification on this as yet.

Endemol wouldn't have had anything to edit out if Gobby and Co. had kept their big mouths shut.

So you can hardly blame it on them.

Glad to hear people approve of the new banner

[Captain.Remy]

I'm fed up of this race row, it's over now, Shilpa said it was not racist, Jade apologised, BB8 is going to start and now, only because BB is popular and a big mistake happened, the papers enjoy of this situation.
Imagine if the same thing happened for the fight night ! That could be terrible !
I still don't like Jade but leave her alone ! Some things happened, it's like that, we can modify the past, CBB5 has been a huge success even if this success was based only on the race row.

[cepb]

We should just move on and forget about the whole thing!

[Lemo]

its ofcoms fault. they stired it up.

Hey ive got an idea now

Im going to ofcom's offices and complain about jamaine calling jade effing white trash and he gets off with it have you seen anything about jamaine being racist to jade

No

Ofcom are the racist ones here.
Just because a white person has a go at a black person about oxcubes is that considered racist? No. If it is i must be very racist.

[Red Moon]

OfCOM just did their job.

OFCOM had to answer the complaints and the there wouldn't have been any if the girls involved hadn't said anything offensive.

That fact can't be escaped from.

[Lemo]

well how do i complain to ofcom?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Rawr
its ofcoms fault. they stired it up.

Hey ive got an idea now

Im going to ofcom's offices and complain about jamaine calling jade effing white trash and he gets off with it have you seen anything about jamaine being racist to jade

No

Ofcom are the racist ones here.
Just because a white person has a go at a black person about oxcubes is that considered racist? No. If it is i must be very racist.


well how do i complain to ofcom?

There is "9" words which describe this situation.

The first word is "One"

&

The last word is "Us"

I do understand your feelings on this matter Rawr

But it will get nobody, anywhere by complaining. It would be a futile attempt & no one would ever listen,

Shilpa Shetty is too big & her fans are very powerful.





nodisharmony

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

But it wasn't about showing them up.

It showed them up as lowlife racist bullying scum

Truth will out....

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit


It showed them up as lowlife racist bullying scum

Truth will out....

Not racist!! Just offensive

Racism won't be allowed on Big Brother. and I saw the CPS statement a while back

That's the truth





nodisharmony

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Not racist!! Just offensive

Racism won't be allowed on Big Brother. and I saw the CPS statement a while back

That's the truth





nodisharmony

Racist - according to OFCOM and millions watching.
Offensive - according to OFCOM.

Thats the truth


Racists - birds of a feather flock together

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by spacebandit


Racist - according to OFCOM and millions watching.
Offensive - according to OFCOM.

Thats the truth


Racists - birds of a feather flock together

That was what the Apologies were about, was it??

Ofcom giving orders & Channel 4 saying, "Yes MAM"

Millions watching were seeing some very good edited footage & could easily be tricked into finding themselves realising words & comments which may have been construed to some as containing possible racial overtones

That is as far is it got!

Channel 4 News has this:-



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD0wgCOFRr4

(9 minutes 8 seconds long)


Ofcom, CH4, apologies.

45,000+ complaints







nodisharmony

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony


That was what the Apologies were about, was it??

Ofcom giving orders & Channel 4 saying, "Yes MAM"

Yes, it is the law by which TV companies are governed, I know you do not like the law and think it shouldn't apply to certain people

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Millions watching were seeing some very good edited footage & could easily be tricked into finding themselves realising words & comments which may have been construed to some as containing possible racial overtones

It was said and done, and that is what galls people like you, given your past its not suprising you want the racism issue glossed over, they said it, and Endemol even tried to save them by not broadcasting some of the worst examples. According to you - there should have been Goebbels level censorship, in which case we would not know what a racist bullying scumbag Gobby is - but then again, that is what you want. A painted version of your heroine - far removed from the truth about her. Only you have a problem, she is a serial bullying racist bigot , thats the truth you seek to hide

oh and by the way - you are failing miserably

[nodisharmony]

Further clarity needed, Ha!!

Originally posted by spacebandit


Yes, it is the law by which TV companies are governed

I understand the law fully, obviously

I know you do not like the law

Don't I?

and think it shouldn't apply to certain people

All people, including Jade, Jo & Danielle But bad editing & the stupid inclusion of all this to the show must be noticed & addressed.

It was said and done, and that is what galls people like you

Words & comments which may be construed to some as containing possible racial over-tones. This is what happened & for anyone to amplify this into something far more sinister is not really paying attention

given your past its not suprising you want the racism issue glossed over

I think objectively & don't have clouded judgements. Just comment on the topic on hand, "The picture is very clear"

they said it, and Endemol even tried to save them by not broadcasting some of the worst examples.

There were serious reasons other than what you are implying. Takes a more detailed look, to realise

According to you - there should have been Goebbels level censorship, in which case we would not know what a racist bullying scumbag Gobby is

Hide further offensive words & comments & limericks is made by the editor's discression. But, they didn't do enough

but then again, that is what you want. A painted version of your heroine - far removed from the truth about her.

Truth is in the eye of the beholder & don't we know it

Only you have a problem

Do I?

she is a serial bullying racist bigot

"Serial" means, that she has been racist before??? Where does that statement come from??? She's never been a full-time racist in any BB or other show

thats the truth you seek to hide

Stating all kinds of angles. Nothing much hidden

oh and by the way - you are failing miserably

Oh well, NOT!!!!






nodisharmony

[spacebandit]

Poor Noddy