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AnnieK · 05-06-2018, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

How about giving us a thread where we can post the infractions we get, and the reasons for them, so people can see they're not the only ones to get infractions for bugger all. Infractions because the mod took the conversation out of context. Infractions because the mod just doesn't like you. Infractions because the mod is having an argument in the thread and you're going against them...

Some of my infractions have been justified, but a lot have not. They've been for next to nothing, less than I see moderators get away with day after day. If we could post them up and we can all see that I was infracted for, say, asking someone to stop baiting me. Which has been done... and is stupid. All this, we can infract you, you have no comeback and you're not allowed to talk about it... casts the mods in a very sinister light when they're just ordinary people with no special skills or comprehension. And to say that all infractions are discussed by a group of mods makes me despair, because I know they're not all petty, like some of my infractions clearly have been.

This seems like the fairest option in all of these discussions, then people who don't want their infractions made public can keep them private but others who want people to see for transparency can do so.

Tom4784 · 05-06-2018, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

This seems like the fairest option in all of these discussions, then people who don't want their infractions made public can keep them private but others who want people to see for transparency can do so.

It'd be a decent compromise.

Marsh. · 05-06-2018, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Surely no one could object

You having a laugh? A lot of people would be arguing on behalf of others against every little infraction.

I don't mind the ban list including a reason for the ban (whether a build up of points or a straight ban for whatever) but making public every little infraction is pointless. Like, who cares?

I care about my own infractions, no bugger else.

Marsh. · 05-06-2018, 02:34 PM

I also don't think this would change anything.

If it was in the public forum that Member A was banned because of a build up of infractions and it was seen that their last infraction was for "baiting" people are still going to have the conspiracy theories that it's come from mod bias who don't like the political view (or whatever) of that particular member so have made up an excuse to have them banned.

It really won't change anything.

Tom4784 · 05-06-2018, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

I also don't think this would change anything.

If it was in the public forum that Member A was banned because of a build up of infractions and it was seen that their last infraction was for "baiting" people are still going to have the conspiracy theories that it's come from mod bias who don't like the political view (or whatever) of that particular member so have made up an excuse to have them banned.

It really won't change anything.

I think that's also a real possibility too tbh.

I'd be all for trying it but, as I said earlier in the thread. I think some people would still hold on to grudges even if the facts said otherwise.

Vicky. · 05-06-2018, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

I also don't think this would change anything.

If it was in the public forum that Member A was banned because of a build up of infractions and it was seen that their last infraction was for "baiting" people are still going to have the conspiracy theories that it's come from mod bias who don't like the political view (or whatever) of that particular member so have made up an excuse to have them banned.

It really won't change anything.

This is pretty much where I am with this tbh

However there was talk of the appeals forum being brought back not too long ago, not sure whats going on with that. But, what dezzy said about it is true, members would have to stop just heading there with every single infraction, having proper screechy fits at us, and also the (almost constant from a couple of members) complaining that the decision made in the appeals forum was also biased (or that the staff members replying hated them so they would never get a fair result, etc) and that we never ever reverse anything so its pointless to have in the first place. Even since the appeals forum has been gone, I have reversed infractions, and a fair few staff members did in there too after receiving an actual valid appeal rather than a rant. I am sure many members can back me up on that too. I have reversed bans and infractions, edited posts rather than deleting (though some have a huge issue with that too and say they would rather just be deleted), undeleted threads, cleaned up the same thread 3+ times...and so on. I have had very long chats with old members and new ones about various issues on the forum, or issues they have with parts of the forum/members/mods. I don't *think* I have ever just ignored a PM. I do however, tend to ignore PMs that are literally just rants at me. No good will come of me replying to those kinds so whats the point? I know some will say i should reply anyway, but when you already know that the member will get more and more wound up and the insults and such will get worse, and you WILL end up getting mad in the end and possibly snapping...well... its pointless dancing that dance.

So yeah, I don't think this would be a good idea, I actually think it would actually make things worse, and even just a thread discussing infractions received will possibly make things worse as we already know how many members are willing to lie and twist the actual reasons for it. Unless it would be fine...for when inevitably someone heads there to claim they were banned for a fortnight for something seemingly tiny...staff have the right of reply to say, well no actually you already had 27 infraction points for X X and X and this was the straw that broke the camels back. Or something. Its so frustrating sometimes seeing people lie about their infractions and bans and knowing that most would find them unreasonable in the complaining, if they only knew the true/full story. Its as annoying to staff as it is members that infractions are not allowed to be discussed on the forum. however I totally understand why admin have it that way.

Also, we kind of have experience with a public infraction system, and it didn't go well back then, nevermind with how divided the forum is now. People would, and did...report then send messages near instantly asking why nothing had been done to the member, or why their post was deleted and no warning (it was warnings then, not infractions) given, and yes, people would see that some members were on their last warning (system used to be 2 warnings then third is a perma...and you think infractions are harsh today

) and bait and bait and bait trying to get the member to say something wrong, then report.

I can just see how this would go down, and I think it would **** things up even more tbh. However as always, willing to be outvoted/overruled/whatver. and go with whatevers decided just my 2 cents

Edit - FFS I didn't know this was closed. Will probably delete this in a sec as otherwise it looks like I am just trying to get the last word or something, but I cannot bring myself to delete it quite yet given it took me like best part of an hour to write it whilst being used as a clmibing frame and having my hearing tested by screeches in my face...

Tom4784 · 05-06-2018, 02:47 PM

I've noticed that we've been veering close to an argument in the thread at points. I've left this thread unmoderated but if it turns into a screaming match it'll be closed and the discussion is over so let's keep it peaceful.

arista · 05-06-2018, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've noticed that we've been veering close to an argument in the thread at points. I've left this thread unmoderated but if it turns into a screaming match it'll be closed and the discussion is over so let's keep it peaceful.

Good Points

Crimson Dynamo · 05-06-2018, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've noticed that we've been veering close to an argument in the thread at points. I've left this thread unmoderated but if it turns into a screaming match it'll be closed and the discussion is over so let's keep it peaceful.

So essentially whenever it gets a little too close to home for comfort you pull the rip cord and all is well again?

semper eadem...

semper eadem

Marsh. · 05-06-2018, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So essentially whenever it gets a little too close to home for comfort you pull the rip cord and all is well again?

semper eadem...

semper eadem

Close to home for comfort = personal insults?

Cherie · 05-06-2018, 04:01 PM

I had to google semper eadem as I am not old enough to have been taught in Latin

Withano · 05-06-2018, 04:03 PM

At least three people who are in favour of this idea have baited inside of this thread.

I think I found the issue. People aren't realising how often, or even when, they are doing it.

thesheriff443 · 05-06-2018, 06:28 PM

Dezzy you should not be modding a thread that you are posting in!
This is is whe the mod system loses credibility.

It's playing judge and jury, dezzy you are member first and a mod second, and this is what's causing so much grief.

Every one is sick of the double standards.

And mods talking about this thread in the towers where no members can see what's being said! And mods wonder why members are up in arms.

chuff me dizzy · 05-06-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Dezzy you should not be modding a thread that you are posting in!
This is is whe the mod system loses credibility.

It's playing judge and jury, dezzy you are member first and a mod second, and this is what's causing so much grief.

Every one is sick of the double standards.

And mods talking about this thread in the towers where no members can see what's being said! And mods wonder why members are up in arms.

Excellent and ALL true ,time for a shake up in here

Jordan. · 05-06-2018, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Dezzy you should not be modding a thread that you are posting in!
This is is whe the mod system loses credibility.

It's playing judge and jury, dezzy you are member first and a mod second, and this is what's causing so much grief.

Every one is sick of the double standards.

And mods talking about this thread in the towers where no members can see what's being said! And mods wonder why members are up in arms.

Dezzy stop posting in this thread, Dezzy stop posting in the mod section. Just log out tbh

Withano · 05-06-2018, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

And mods talking about this thread in the towers where no members can see what's being said! And mods wonder why members are up in arms.

Members arent up in arms lol. There is a group of 10-15 who have got themselves a reputation of constantly complaining about the forum mods and the system... some continue and try to make out that it is a feeling across the board. This isn’t true.

The majority of the forum disagree with the very vocal minority, the minortiy are just unusually unaware of this.