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bots · 20-06-2018, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

And that's the line that Trump is using, it's bull**** though and it falls to pieces when you actually fact check it.

Trump could end this in an instant but it's a situation that he can use to his advantage. He does not think these people are human, he calls them an infestation and he is holding these kids hostage so that he can build his pointless wall and is trying to pin it on the democrats when it's HIS administration in control.

i completely agree, he is holding disabled children in ****ing cages ... what kind of sad bastard would do that for political gain other than a completely loopy dictator. I'm seriously angry about it here, so I can only imagine what people in the USA are thinking

Livia · 20-06-2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i completely agree, he is holding disabled children in ****ing cages ... what kind of sad bastard would do that for political gain other than a completely loopy dictator. I'm seriously angry about it here, so I can only imagine what people in the USA are thinking

It's made people feel like that, Bots... angry. I feel the same.

Northern Monkey · 20-06-2018, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i completely agree, he is holding disabled children in ****ing cages ... what kind of sad bastard would do that for political gain other than a completely loopy dictator. I'm seriously angry about it here, so I can only imagine what people in the USA are thinking

I can see mass protests and unrest if it carries on much longer.

The Slim Reaper · 20-06-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44503514

Says in there its a democratic law they ae forced to use.

No it doesn't, and if it did it would be a lie because this is a change in policy by the current administration.

user104658 · 20-06-2018, 07:39 AM

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.

arista · 20-06-2018, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.

Sure TS.
but these kids are safe
in that old Walmart Store.
They are away from their Parents
who broke into to USA.
The Parents are the illegals.

I did a thread on Poland
they do not take any Muslims,
I added the Video from Ch4HD news.
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=342433

Look at Italy
now not taking any Illegals from boats.
Italy under a new power, of course.

user104658 · 20-06-2018, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Sure TS.
but these kids are safe
in that old Walmart Store.
They are away from their Parents
who broke into to USA.
The Parents are the illegals.

I did a thread on Poland
they do not take any Muslims,
I added the Video from Ch4HD news.
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=342433

Look at Italy
now not taking any Illegals from boats.
Italy under a new power, of course.

They're physically "safe"... a large number of them will be permanently psychologically damaged with anxiety and separation disorders. Especially the younger ones.

arista · 20-06-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They're physically "safe"... a large number of them will be permanently psychologically damaged with anxiety and separation disorders. Especially the younger ones.

Yes TS
that's the way the Dice are Rolling
Trump is the President, he himself has said its Horrible
he seems to stay solid in this, at this time,
but its a USA "Local" Elections in Nov
and some now.
So it can change soon.

bots · 20-06-2018, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.

I agree. There is a strategy being played out in America right now that is not healthy. It's also interesting that the USA's democracy has been recently downgraded and is no longer top tier. These are worrying times.

USA Downgraded from a full democracy to a flawed democracy

http://fortune.com/2017/01/25/us-democracy-downgrade/

Tom4784 · 20-06-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.

The people that voted Trump into power did so with the full knowledge of who he was and all of his flaws and they ignored all of it because he told them what they wanted to hear and they preferred his fiction to the truth of reality.

They won't care about these kids because they're more invested in Trump's tales and false promises. Who needs facts when these people have their feelings? You don't need to be informed if you can screech fake news at anything you don't want to hear.

The world is ****ed and it's people's inaction and passiveness that's to blame.

Vicky. · 23-06-2018, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.

Quite.

Its terrifying to me that people actually agree with what he is doing and rationalize it. Its beyond defensible. I have actually genuinely removed people from facebook over this issue and will not speak to them in real life when I see them either. I never remove people for personal opinions that differ from mine as variety is the spice of life and all of that, I even put up with some people posting Britain First type 'Muslims are coming for our xmas' type posts, though I do argue with them over it. But I simply cannot muster the energy to argue on this topic with people who agree with him separating kids from parents and basically holding babies hostage in cages so that he gets his own way. Its utterly barbaric, and I want nothing to do with anyone who supports it in any way. I cannot believe anyone would defend this. Or I would like to believe such people would be as rare as hens teeth, but its surprising how many seem to agree with him because 'nasty immigrants'.

Edit. That it went on under Obama is neither here nor there, but it seems there was a different set of circumstances and it was nowhere near as many children. It seems that the previous admininstration kept kids who were trying to cross alone, or in case of suspected abuse/smuggling..not that they sent the parents away and kept the kids as hostages, as negotiating tools, as if they aren't real ****ing people. If Obama was purposely separating children from parents to hold them hostage to get his own way with something, I would say he was a ****ing gross vile bastard too. The rationalizing and minimizing and deflecting from the issue at hand in this thread has kind of turned my stomach, I had only read up to the quoted post when I replied, I honestly did not think people on here would be defending this, regardless of where their political alliances lie. But of course, I was wrong on that. I won't be back to the thread..as I just find some of the replies utterly disgusting. Different opinions are great, its good to be able to argue with people in this section, however this is something I really feel there shouldn't be any disagreement on at all. And that there is..well...I guess its my problem, not anyone elses

I am surprised by how strong my feelings are about this actually. people on here know I tend to suffer an empathy bypass, though still have a sense of right and wrong (cheers mam and dad) but I do have very very strong feelings on this, which is quite alien to me. I have never ever been totally unable to tolerate different opinions on any topic in this section before..even stuff thats personal to me such as abortion issues, but on this, I really cannot stand it. maybe its because I genuinely can see the parallels with Nazi Germany, and no thats not an exaggeration at all.

And yes, the thread maybe went a bit off topic. But threads develop naturally, and the wall is connected to this kids thing anyway so its not totally off topic. And no it won't be closed just because many people disagree with someones posts, which seems to be whats requested.

lime · 24-06-2018, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite.

Its terrifying to me that people actually agree with what he is doing and rationalize it. Its beyond defensible. I have actually genuinely removed people from facebook over this issue and will not speak to them in real life when I see them either. I never remove people for personal opinions that differ from mine as variety is the spice of life and all of that, I even put up with some people posting Britain First type 'Muslims are coming for our xmas' type posts, though I do argue with them over it. But I simply cannot muster the energy to argue on this topic with people who agree with him separating kids from parents and basically holding babies hostage in cages so that he gets his own way. Its utterly barbaric, and I want nothing to do with anyone who supports it in any way. I cannot believe anyone would defend this. Or I would like to believe such people would be as rare as hens teeth, but its surprising how many seem to agree with him because 'nasty immigrants'.

Edit. That it went on under Obama is neither here nor there, but it seems there was a different set of circumstances and it was nowhere near as many children. It seems that the previous admininstration kept kids who were trying to cross alone, or in case of suspected abuse/smuggling..not that they sent the parents away and kept the kids as hostages, as negotiating tools, as if they aren't real ****ing people. If Obama was purposely separating children from parents to hold them hostage to get his own way with something, I would say he was a ****ing gross vile bastard too. The rationalizing and minimizing and deflecting from the issue at hand in this thread has kind of turned my stomach, I had only read up to the quoted post when I replied, I honestly did not think people on here would be defending this, regardless of where their political alliances lie. But of course, I was wrong on that. I won't be back to the thread..as I just find some of the replies utterly disgusting. Different opinions are great, its good to be able to argue with people in this section, however this is something I really feel there shouldn't be any disagreement on at all. And that there is..well...I guess its my problem, not anyone elses

I am surprised by how strong my feelings are about this actually. people on here know I tend to suffer an empathy bypass, though still have a sense of right and wrong (cheers mam and dad) but I do have very very strong feelings on this, which is quite alien to me. I have never ever been totally unable to tolerate different opinions on any topic in this section before..even stuff thats personal to me such as abortion issues, but on this, I really cannot stand it. maybe its because I genuinely can see the parallels with Nazi Germany, and no thats not an exaggeration at all.

And yes, the thread maybe went a bit off topic. But threads develop naturally, and the wall is connected to this kids thing anyway so its not totally off topic. And no it won't be closed just because many people disagree with someones posts, which seems to be whats requested.

So glad somone who 's first lanuage is English said exactly what I wanted to say

Northern Monkey · 20-06-2018, 08:39 AM

I agree with Americas right to build a wall to protect their borders.
However this that he’s doing now is quite chilling to see.Kids locked behind fences prison style crying to go home.
Something they’ll never forget.
There has to be a way to either turn the illegals back or prosecute them without splitting them from their kids.

arista · 20-06-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I agree with Americas right to build a wall to protect their borders.
However this that he’s doing now is quite chilling to see.Kids locked behind fences prison style crying to go home.
Something they’ll never forget.
There has to be a way to either turn the illegals back or prosecute them without splitting them from their kids.

Yes Trump wants that
but Democrats , do not.
Its up to them,

America is Split
just like Failed Corrupt H. Clinton Vs Trump Election
was.

It was Build The Wall.
on every clip of Trump , back then.

Kizzy · 20-06-2018, 10:09 AM

Livia · 20-06-2018, 10:17 AM

How much longer? Hasn't he done enough damage now? The images and sound of those children on the news was heart-rending. How long till the USA gets some reality back?

arista · 20-06-2018, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

How much longer? Hasn't he done enough damage now? The images and sound of those children on the news was heart-rending. How long till the USA gets some reality back?

Its the Democrats stopping the Deal
sadly

The Slim Reaper · 20-06-2018, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Its the Democrats stopping the Deal
sadly

What on earth are you talking about?

Parmy · 20-06-2018, 10:51 AM

Surely the parents must shoulder the majority of blame here..they knew the risks, but yet record numbers are trying to come through each month.

Do we feel as much sympathy for the common criminal whos kids are seperated from them when they get locked up.

All these tapes and recordings are designed to tug at the heartstrings like the photo if the kid on the beach.

arista · 20-06-2018, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Surely the parents must shoulder the majority of blame here..they knew the risks, but yet record numbers are trying to come through each month.

Do we feel as much sympathy for the common criminal whos kids are seperated from them when they get locked up.

All these tapes and recordings are designed to tug at the heartstrings like the photo if the kid on the beach.

Yes they Broke into USA
Illegally,

Its against USA Border Laws

Livia · 20-06-2018, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Surely the parents must shoulder the majority of blame here..they knew the risks, but yet record numbers are trying to come through each month.

Do we feel as much sympathy for the common criminal whos kids are seperated from them when they get locked up.

All these tapes and recordings are designed to tug at the heartstrings like the photo if the kid on the beach.

When criminals are arrested, their kids aren't usually locked into a cage with other kids who've been separated from their parents.

If they think it's worth going through to give their kids a better future, their lives must be pretty hard.

The USA is a nation of immigrants, ask the Native Americans. It says on the Statue of Liberty:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Someone tell Trump this doesn't mean pulling crying babies from the arms of sobbing mothers.

Marsh. · 20-06-2018, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Surely the parents must shoulder the majority of blame here..they knew the risks, but yet record numbers are trying to come through each month.

Do we feel as much sympathy for the common criminal whos kids are seperated from them when they get locked up.

All these tapes and recordings are designed to tug at the heartstrings like the photo if the kid on the beach.

Does the common criminal have their children locked in cages and sleeping on the floor?