[Denver]

Parents are scared to discipline their child because of fears the child will be taken away from them

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i am going to say

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none

Exactly, people who dont have children do not know how to raise them to be decent human being

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, that's a great point actually.

Yup, violence begets violence. Raise a child through violence and they'll go through life thinking it's the answer to any and all problems they face.

[Ashley.]

Hitting a child is the worst form of discipline. Abuse is a learned behaviour, you're merely teaching them that, actually, violence is alright - as long as you're only doing it to get what you want.

Because that's all hitting a child is - it's to make them do exactly what you want because you can't be bloody bothered to teach them any other way.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh look, another blatant attempt at suppressing opinions.

Yeah because you need to have had kids to have an opinion on whether an adult should be allowed hit a small child

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly, people who dont have children do not know how to raise them to be decent human being

I have children

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh look, another blatant attempt at suppressing opinions.

or maybe a salient reminder that one may not have the best idea what one is talking about?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or maybe a salient reminder that one may not have the best idea what one is talking about?

he's making more sense on the subject than some people with kids imo and I say that as a mother

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly, people who dont have children do not know how to raise them to be decent human being

That's silly, there are plenty of people in this world who know how to raise kids right who don't have children of their own. Do you insist that daycares only be run by parents? Can someone not become a child psychologist or behavioural expert without knocking someone up or pushing out a baby?

Your 'point' makes no sense and it only serves to try to suppress my opinion without putting any effort into actually arguing against it.

[Alf]

I think we need to realise that there's a big difference between getting a smacked arse for being naughty and beating up children to a pulp.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Parents are scared to discipline their child because of fears the child will be taken away from them

You say that like hitting is the only possible way to discipline a child, it isn't.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You act like violence is a new thing born of not using physical abuse as a parenting tool. It's not. People were killed and harmed in the 'good ol' days' too. You are letting nostalgia colour the facts.

Violence is the tool of the lazy parent not willing to put in the effort of raising their kids right.

I think my dad was knackered half the time after a hard day at work...

4 kids running around doing the same sort of stuff every night...sometimes we would be fine but the next night he would just fly off his seat and leather us half way up the stairs as though the noise was to much for him.



Funny though, i could have made it to the bathroom to lock the door but i always froze halfway up the stairs and just took it.


I remember giving him one back when i was 18, that shook him...shook him into full blown rage mode...

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You say that like hitting is the only possible way to discipline a child, it isn't.

Well it didn't have no problems with me tbh and I was lucky that my mum grew up in a traditional Caribbean home so knew the difference

[user104658]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly, people who dont have children do not know how to raise them to be decent human being

I'm assuming you weren't smacked as a child, chuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm assuming you weren't smacked as a child, chuff.

only as an adult

[Nicky91]

am i dumb in saying that if you discipline your child too much by beating them up, it might result in the child going through a rebellic phase


you might push them only further away from you



i think the proper discipline is to be a fun parent, but also just being honest where you put your limits, rather than only beating them up

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

How many children do you have ?

So Dezzy has no part in this debate because he doesn't have children? OK. So I suppose we should ban men from debates regarding women, and straight people from debates regarding LGBT issues. What a sad attempt at trying to belittle somebody's worth in a thread that is open for anybody to contribute to.

[chuff me dizzy]

IMO the main reason todays kids are out of control is down to parents who put themselves before their children, they have no home security, Mothers out on the lash all weekend while they are dumped here, there and everywhere ,I see Mothers pick their kids up from school while busy on their phones telling the world on Facebook what they are doing ......... CarlyLuvsHerKidsSmith "On school run " Put your phone down, hold your childs hand and ask them what they've done at school

They get little Johnny home ,let him go on his Xbox until his ready meal is cooked ,then back off upstairs he goes, hardly had a chance to talk to his Mother as she was playing Candy Crush or telling her mates how her spray tan turned out while he was eating his tea

Children need to be made to feel special to their parents, not just a little someone they get extra benefits for to fund their new iPhone

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

am i dumb in saying that if you discipline your child too much by beating them up, it might result in the child going through a rebellic phase


you might push them only further away from you



i think the proper discipline is to be a fun parent, but also just being honest where you put your limits, rather than only beating them up

No, imo and my experience you are spot on...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

So Dezzy has no part in this debate because he doesn't have children? OK. So I suppose we should ban men from debates regarding women, and straight people from debates regarding LGBT issues. What a sad attempt at trying to belittle somebody's worth in a thread that is open for anybody to contribute to.

well said Ashley

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

So Dezzy has no part in this debate because he doesn't have children? OK. So I suppose we should ban men from debates regarding women, and straight people from debates regarding LGBT issues. What a sad attempt at trying to belittle somebody's worth in a thread that is open for anybody to contribute to.

Ive been told many times I do not understand the "struggle" LGBT people have because Im not gay

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Well it didn't have no problems with me tbh and I was lucky that my mum grew up in a traditional Caribbean home so knew the difference

So parents that grow up in other cultures teach their kids different things?
Who knew... So culturally if you grow up in a traditional Caribbean home in the UK smacking is fine or no?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I think my dad was knackered half the time after a hard day at work...

4 kids running around doing the same sort of stuff every night...sometimes we would be fine but the next night he would just fly off his seat and leather us half way up the stairs as though the noise was to much for him.



Funny though, i could have made it to the bathroom to lock the door but i always froze halfway up the stairs and just took it.


I remember giving him one back when i was 18, that shook him...shook him into full blown rage mode...

Not that it's any excuse or helps at all parm, but it sounds like he was probably a deeply depressed individual. Again not that that makes things any better for you then or now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

IMO the main reason todays kids are out of control is down to parents who put themselves before their children, they have no home security, Mothers out on the lash all weekend while they are dumped here, there and everywhere ,I see Mothers pick their kids up from school while busy on their phones telling the world on Facebook what they are doing ......... CarlyLuvsHerKidsSmith "On school run " Put your phone down, hold your childs hand and ask them what they've done at school

They get little Johnny home ,let him go on his Xbox until his ready meal is cooked ,then back off upstairs he goes, hardly had a chance to talk to his Mother as she was playing Candy Crush or telling her mates how her spray tan turned out while he was eating his tea

Children need to be made to feel special to their parents, not just a little someone they get extra benefits for to fund their new iPhone

That's a totally different topic tbf to what we're talking about. I agree with alot of that too (of course id' probably replace "mother" with parents though

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

I think we need to realise that there's a big difference between getting a smacked arse for being naughty and beating up children to a pulp.

Exactly, a lot of difference