[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Clootie Dumpling

I agree, but didn't like Ryan's dismissive attitude. It came across as bullying behaviour - shutting down the underdog, as if Hardeep's opinion were less important.

Hardly bullying

[Swan]

****ing hell it's so simple it hurts. WE ARE PEOPLE!

**** race!

Progression is EASY, lets stop over complicating it!

[Clootie Dumpling]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Hardly bullying

Ostracising people and belittling their views are some of the classic bulling behaviours

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Hardeep tonight: Upset about racism

Also Hardeep tonight: (to Jermaine) 'May the Best Brown win'

It's a bloody joke get over yourself.

[armand.kay]

I don't like Hardeep at all but I'm so glad he stood his ground. Dan and Ryan are idiots who can't handle a simple conversation about race. People who would rather put their fingers in there ears and scream "I DON'T SEE COLOUR" are part of the problem. I think people in this country should be more open to having a frank discussion about race without any judgement or name calling from either side....

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Ryan probably means this:

Interviewer: How we gonna get rid of racism?

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it! I'm gonna stop calling you 'a white man' and i'm gonna ask you to stop calling me 'a black man'. I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as Morgan Freeman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Basically - seeing people as individuals, not as categories. That is what non-racism looks like.

because just not talking about issues works right...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Hardeep has the right to talk about race

Ryan has the right to say he’s sick of hearing about it

Nobody was right.Just a difference of opinion.

..yeah Ryan does have the right to say he’s sick of hearing it if that’s how he feels, NM...just as Hardeep has the right to talk about it..but I do feel it’s quite ironic of Ryan...bearing in mind the social issue that has been created with Roxanne’s actions toward him...and how that’s dominated the house and also the viewer’s attention and will most probably be his ‘winning card’...and Ryan knows that, he’s felt the full support from the public..and it’s a social issue that has had great value to be highlighted in the way it has..?...so all extremely important to discuss when it revolved around his storyline...?...but not so much when it’s a real social issue that he doesn’t feel so important or is sick to death of hearing..?...when people live racism in their daily lives but he doesn’t want to hear it or have it discussed around him etc because he personally sick of it...I guess those who experience it or have experienced it are sick of it as well...but ok, that’s fine then...he doesn’t have to be part of any discussion about it...it’s totally his choice but he can’t change the importance of it in terms of discussion and he can’t change the real impact of it on some people’s lives..(..as the impact on what Roxanne did to him has had and he’s so completely wanted to talk about that social issue...)...just because it’s not something which is happening within the house and not something which is happening to a particular housemate...yeah he has every right to say he’s sick of hearing about it but that’s a very insular mindset of ‘I’m alright Jack’...which is the very opposite of Hardeep who very much considers and discusses social issues beyond himself and his own experiences etc...it was the perfect way and opening to a discussion ...which for some reason, Ryan wanted to stifle..so yeah there is a right and a wrong with that and he was wrong completely...do we only discuss social issues if they present themselves in the house to be discussed because of a house incident or storyline...then the housemates can talk about them to death and never get sick of hearing about them...they’re very much ‘on topic then’..but not if it’s something that touches on real life experience for people...and possibly within their chosen career which Hardeep would be interested in...

...Hardeep in general is all about the social issues which has been displayed all through his time in the house...whether they’re issues that have impacted his own life or not...he thinks beyond himself and I’m liking him more and more......it must be so frustrating for him that many housemates don’t seem to want to go deep with Hardeep unless it’s something of their own experience ...either in the house or with their storm story...all about the self, all about the self etc....but Hardeep doesn’t seem to be that skin deep only...

[Ammi]

..it’s just so ironic that in the playing out before our eyes of Roxanne’s deliberate actions have highlighted something really important, which has been a positive...but what a rare thing to have it all on camera as we’ve had ..racism isn’t rare...and it’s not always on camera..and it is very real ..and discussion about it whatever the ethnicity of someone..is extremely important ...regardless of any individual person feeling sick of hearing about it...

[Ammi]

..I wonder how Ryan would feel if the public had got sick of the Roxanne/Ryan issue and storyline and he hadn’t felt their support as he has.. had they had just felt....pfffft, whatever...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I wonder how Ryan would feel if the public had got sick of the Roxanne/Ryan issue and storyline and he hadn’t felt their support as he has.. had they had just felt....pfffft, whatever...

That's not fair Ammi , hardly a comparison .

It isn't just Ryan who has said he's fed up of Hardeep talking about Race & politics in the house . Dan said it aswell and you can tell the other housemates are aswell .

Hardeep deserved to survive all 3 head to head evictions as he's an interesting housemate , however he's been annoying people aswell. And lately he's been really miserable and defensive with them.

[Ammi]

..yeah he has been annoying people, GoldHeart...lots of annoyances I think from many housemates..but tbh..for me..?...as a general..they’re not really a very deep house this year..mostly quite surface ...until a real social issue presented itself to them all..and then it became a little deeper because they were all impacted by it ...whereas Hardeep has been consitant in his deepness of his interest in social issues ..whether he’s had personal experience of or not...

[KingOfTheMods]

Originally Posted by Robodog

Ryan probably means this:

Interviewer: How we gonna get rid of racism?

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it! I'm gonna stop calling you 'a white man' and i'm gonna ask you to stop calling me 'a black man'. I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as Morgan Freeman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Basically - seeing people as individuals, not as categories. That is what non-racism looks like.

Spot on.

[parmnion]

Convo wasnt about him was it.

Im sure ryan pulled hardeep up for some similar reaction had to ryan and kirsties discussion when they were talking across hardeep...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Convo wasnt about him was it.

Im sure ryan pulled hardeep up for some similar reaction had to ryan and kirsties discussion when they were talking across hardeep...

Yes he did, so he was being hypocritical

[LeatherTrumpet]

I wanted to hear what Jermaine thought, its an interesting subject so not sure why Ryan shut him down like that

[Vanessa]

I think Ryan prefers to refer to people as individuals and to by their race. Maybe that's what he meant?

[Elliot]

Honestly I think with hardeep what would do it for me is him CONSISTANTY bringing up races whether it be unprovoked heavy handed political rows or even his sub par jokes, and you know the moment you bring up race he’d go in a grump and call you racist.
I’m not a very politically strong minded person. There’s like one social political topic I care about that the Roxanne situation has provoked, but other than that I try to keep it out of conversation because it’s just so heavy and futile like I’d much rather debate philosophy or science or.. big brother. Hardeep seems like the sort of person who brings politics into EVERYTHING and I know so many people like him that I dread going out with lol especially the race thing because it’s a bit of an uncomfortable topic that I personally have no qualms with approaching but not having it be forced down my throat on a daily basis and having to walk on egg shells when I respond.
I think that’s where peolle like Ryan fall into it. Maybe race might be something that’s importsnt to hardeeps life and I’m not doubting that at all but it hasn’t regally been brought up in the big brother house and nobody has kinda sparked any reason to keep banging on about it. It kinda reminds me of last series where Courtney act wouldn’t stop going on about Ann hating gay people for like 20 episodes and I just couldn’t be around that like it’s so heavy and it just sucks the fun out of everything.
I don’t think anyone wants to forcefully shut up hardeep and telling him to stop going on about it but like idk it’s kinda socially awkward how hardeep approaches everything like even if he did want serious social change there’s 101 better ways to go about it other than forcing it down Ryan thomas’ throat

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by lewis111

And that it doesn’t matter... Feel like this needs it be discussed more
what an ignorant twat

He didn't say they 'couldn't' he said it shouldn't be about race and it shouldn't, why bring race into everything as Hardeep does?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

He didn't say they 'couldn't' he said it shouldn't be about race and it shouldn't, why bring race into everything as Hardeep does?

This! It's exactly what he meant.

[BBDodge]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wanted to hear what Jermaine thought, its an interesting subject so not sure why Ryan shut him down like that

Not sure why Hardeep shut down 2 people who were having a conversation in the bedroom a couple of days ago, accusing them of talking over him.

If Ryan's in the room, by Hardeep's own standards, then he's part of the conversation.

[chuff me dizzy]

Could it just be a fact that they are sick to the molars of listening to him if he's throwing the race card and playing the " poor me victim: at every chance he gets? Also no one seems perturbed about the KKK dig at Dan and Ryan ,which I found to be bloody disgusting IMO he should have got a warning for that, but once again ..... Double standards

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I wanted to hear what Jermaine thought, its an interesting subject so not sure why Ryan shut him down like that

I'm glad that you agree, seeing as we probably disagree on topics like this. It's disappointing to see a group of adults unable to have discussions like this because it makes them a little 'uncomfortable'

[armand.kay]

Also nobody batted an eye lid about the constant discussions about sexism and being a woman in their respective industries but a discussion about racism is too far I guess.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Also nobody batted an eye lid about the constant discussions about sexism and being a woman in their respective industries but a discussion about racism is too far I guess.

Everyone Ik on Facebook who watches big brother was complaining about how political last series was lol

[tiger_greengrass]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Also nobody batted an eye lid about the constant discussions about sexism and being a woman in their respective industries but a discussion about racism is too far I guess.

Yeah I don't want either. If I wanted those types of issues I'd watch the news