[Twosugars]

Try to be open-minded and admited mistakes quite a few times in convos here
the trick is not to equate your current opinion with your ego then evolving your view when confronted with valid points becomes no biggie

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Try to be open-minded and admited mistakes quite a few times in convos here
the trick is not to equate your current opinion with your ego then evolving your view when confronted with valid points becomes no biggie

You talk about my ego and in the next sentence claim your points as the only ones that are valid. Are you on the wind up or what?

[Twosugars]

I'd happily change my opinion to match yours if you produced convincing arguments.
Can you say the same?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'd happily change my opinion to match yours if you produced convincing arguments.
Can you say the same?

We'd need to experiment to prove my point. But that would end in someone being punished for not being politically correct?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I'd happily change my opinion to match yours if you produced convincing arguments.
Can you say the same?

You're from Scotland right? your country tried sending a Youtube comedian to prison this year for a joke with a dog doing a Nazi salute. How is that not political correctness ruining comedy? He now has a criminal record for a joke.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

We'd need to experiment to prove my point. But that would end in someone being punished for not being politically correct?

like your idea...

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

You're from Scotland right? your country tried sending a Youtube comedian to prison this year for a joke with a dog doing a Nazi salute. How is that not political correctness ruining comedy? He now has a criminal record for a joke.

why do you think that? I'm based in London and I'm European (50% English, 25% Polish, 25% Jewish/Polish).

don't know the details of that business but it sounds ott
but then again with nazi jokes, have no idea what's acceptable these days
tho woody allen was allowed to crack a joke, in response to statement that 6 million Jews were killed in Holocaust, that records are made to be broken

maybe it's a bit like black people saying the n word and only jews can joke about nazis?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

why do you think that? I'm based in London and I'm European (50% English, 25% Polish, 25% Jewish/Polish).

don't know the details of that business but it sounds ott
but then again with nazi jokes, have no idea what's acceptable these days
tho woody allen was allowed to crack a joke, in response to statement that 6 million Jews were killed in Holocaust, that records are made to be broken

maybe it's a bit like black people saying the n word and only jews can joke about nazis?

It's about context.

The aim of comedy is to make people laugh, and people find different things funny, so everything should be acceptable when the context is to make people laugh.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Telling tales to try to get another person punished.

Responding to you is "telling tales"?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Responding to you is "telling tales"?

It must be if I said so.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Look at all the people telling Alfie what's funny and what's not.

Other way around but you see what you want to see I guess.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because A) It assumes that all "modern comedy" is the same based on what you personally have seen (it isn't and there's huge variety) and also, even then, the most you can say is that you find it crap / it isn't to your taste. Again, "funny" isn't an objective thing... if something makes 2 people in a room of 100 people genuinely laugh, it's still funny to those two people .

I feel if it isn't a studio sitcom on BBC1 or itv Alf thinks it doesn't exist.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Your top comedian entertainers today are Mel and Sue, they tick the right boxes

Are they?

Mel and Sue are a 90s comedy act that have since ventured into more regular presenting gigs.
Most of this generation probably don't even know they're comedians and think of them as the girls who presented a baking show.

Sue made her own sitcom five years ago and it tanked after 6 episodes.

If you think Mel and Sue are the height of British comedy in 2018 you're not looking hard enough.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Yes the Yanks have streaked ahead of us in comedy. they have the first ammendment though which is why the writers aren't having their art surpressed.

Eh? American television is some of the most sanitised and censored in the world.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Marsh Your first post to me started by you saying to me "Instead of patronising someone"

Your very next post to me started by you saying to me "No Dear" obviously patronising.

Why do you believe you're above the standards which you expect from everyone else?

Well, if you're going to patronise me, you'll get it right back.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Are they?

Mel and Sue are a 90s comedy act that have since ventured into more regular presenting gigs.
Most of this generation probably don't even know they're comedians and think of them as the girls who presented a baking show.

Sue made her own sitcom five years ago and it tanked after 6 episodes.

If you think Mel and Sue are the height of British comedy in 2018 you're not looking hard enough.

I don't think they're the height, I think they're what we get given, not because they're funny but because the tick the right boxes, they're women and gay and that's all they need to be.

Britain's got talent finally got a comedian winner this year, I wonder what the secret to his success was, because he wasn't that funny. The Last leg falls into that category too.

I'm not saying gays, women, disabled people can't be funny, I'm saying the ones we get given are not, and are only there for the sake of diversity and so called progressivness, not comedy.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I don't think they're the height, I think they're what we get given, not because they're funny but because the tick the right boxes, they're women and gay and that's all they need to be.

Britain's got talent finally got a comedian winner this year, I wonder what the secret to his success was, because he wasn't that funny. The Last leg falls into that category too.

I'm not saying gays, women, disabled people can't be funny, I'm saying the ones we get given are not, and are only there for the sake of diversity and so called progressivness, not comedy.

They're not what we get. They're TV presenters.

Sue is gay, Mel is not.

I'm not sure why they're being used as a measure of "modern comedy because they're gay and female and ticking boxes" when their comedy routines and the height of their careers were over 20 years ago. They are just TV/radio presenters nowadays. And they rarely do stuff together either.

[Marsh.]

Ant and Dec (prior to Ant's... breakdown) are more the modern equivalent of a Morcambe and Wise. All over the TV, extremely popular and a double act in every sense of the word.

Mel and Sue are such a left field choice I can't take it seriously.

[Toy Soldier]

When Mel and Sue were mentioned, I did wonder if I'd gone to bed in 2018 last night and woken up in 2002 .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm not saying gays, women, disabled people can't be funny, I'm saying the ones we get given are not, and are only there for the sake of diversity and so called progressivness, not comedy.

Really don't think you're qualified to say that if your only example of "female, gay or disabled" comedians are Mel and Sue.

[Twosugars]

Alf does seem a tad unprepared to argue his boldly stated case

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Alf does seem a tad unprepared to argue his boldly stated case

What is your question your honour? Make it quick because I'm trying to watch making a murderer.

[Twosugars]

Is it any good?

[Alf]

Court is adjourned until the morning.

[Twosugars]

Is making a murderer any good?