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Ramsay · 23-01-2019, 08:10 PM

I think it's pretty ****ty they didn't consult the family first

AnnieK · 23-01-2019, 08:39 PM

The rush of unconditional love that most, not all most, parent's have on the birth of their child in indescribable. However, as a parent we also dont know how we would deal with the brutal horrific murder of that child unless it happens to us (which I hope not one of us ever has to really think about let alone live through) so yes, we can empathise with the Bulgers but we are also the same as any non parent in not knowing how we would deal with it. I always said if anything ever happened and I lost my son, I would want to go with him so he wasn't alone,it just doesn't bear thinking about but unless (god forbid) anything did happen I don't know how I would react to anything

Marsh. · 23-01-2019, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

The rush of unconditional love that most, not all most, parent's have on the birth of their child in indescribable. However, as a parent we also dont know how we would deal with the brutal horrific murder of that child unless it happens to us (which I hope not one of us ever has to really think about let alone live through) so yes, we can empathise with the Bulgers but we are also the same as any non parent in not knowing how we would deal with it. I always said if anything ever happened and I lost my son, I would want to go with him so he wasn't alone,it just doesn't bear thinking about but unless (god forbid) anything did happen I don't know how I would react to anything

Exactly.

And also, not every parent feels the same towards their child, some parents feel absolutely nothing towards them so it's a meaningless generalisation for people to make.

thesheriff443 · 23-01-2019, 08:42 PM

Romans used to set lions onto slaves and people would watch.

The internet has made the most horrific scenes viewable at the click of a button.

People would not make these films if no one would watch them and even if you banned them that would only make people want to watch them more.

Humans are closer to animals than we think.

Amy Jade · 23-01-2019, 08:56 PM

I do wish they had contacted her having read a bit deeper but apparently it is meant to be an unbiased view.

Until I see it can't have much of an opinion really

Parmy · 23-01-2019, 09:08 PM

See, even me airing this like this helps me...but it's my choice..

I think that's the issue here, it's her grief, her families grief and they should be the ones controlling that..IMO...nobody has the right to interfere in that....

Amy Jade · 23-01-2019, 09:10 PM

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See, even me airing this like this helps me...but it's my choice..

I think that's the issue here, it's her grief, her families grief and they should be the ones controlling that..IMO...nobody has the right to interfere in that....

I don't think anyone is necessarily trying to control her grief

Parmy · 23-01-2019, 09:15 PM

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I don't think anyone is necessarily trying to control her grief

A good few are judging her grief though, what business is it of theirs on here?

Parmy · 23-01-2019, 09:21 PM

So what if the mum makes some money anyway..as long as she's talking about her son she's happy..and for what she's been through we should all be happy for her.

Marsh. · 23-01-2019, 09:23 PM

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So what if the mum makes some money anyway..as long as she's talking about her son she's happy..and for what she's been through we should all be happy for her.

Is she suing them or something?

Tom4784 · 23-01-2019, 10:30 PM

I'll say it before and I'll say it again, the whole 'you can't have an opinion, you don't have kids' angle is lazy and bull****. It's purely a move to overcome an opposing opinion, not through sound argument but by denying someone their right to have their opinion and degrade their views without putting any effort into it but bull**** criteria that only happens to exclude opinions that the people who use that argument dislikes.

thesheriff443 · 23-01-2019, 10:51 PM

Short films, ain’t nobody got time for that.

Glenn. · 24-01-2019, 12:21 AM

Has anyone commenting even watched the film?

user104658 · 24-01-2019, 07:20 AM

You're deliberately making the situation as specific as possible to avoid even considering the possibility that actually having (or raising) a child might offer an experience (the direct experience of the parent-child bond) that would greatly bolster the ability to empathise with a parent who has lost a child. You should have a look at empathy vs sympathy and the subtle differences, IMO.

Consider; let's say a homosexual couple is attacked in the street and one person is badly beaten and hospitalised. Can any human with a sense of right and justice appreciate their situation and feel awful for them? Yes, of course! And most would. However is it not fair to say that another homosexual couple - with individuals who have NOT ever been physically attacked but have, nonetheless, experienced some general homophobia - probably has more ability to understand and empathise with their anger and frustration than a straight couple who has never been persecuted?

It doesn't mean that the straight couple think it's OK, that it doesn't make them feel sick to the core and furious, but it's still different. Would you dispute that? It also doesn't mean that ALL gay people are more sympathetic to the situation than ALL straight people - anyone can be an unsympathetic arsehole - but we're talking about general trends not specific individuals.

Parents (in general) can better understand the plight of another parent who has experienced the loss of a child, because of direct experience of the parental bond. Shared experience is a major component of empathy. There's literally nothing offensive or controversial about this statement. I still don't understand why it makes you angry.

Marsh. · 24-01-2019, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're deliberately making the situation as specific as possible to avoid even considering the possibility that actually having (or raising) a child might offer an experience (the direct experience of the parent-child bond) that would greatly bolster the ability to empathise with a parent who has lost a child. You should have a look at empathy vs sympathy and the subtle differences, IMO.

Responding to a ridiculous generalisation used simply to shut down my viewpoint is too specific?

Pointing out that "parents" and "non parents" aren't all the same is too specific for you.

Highlighting the fact someone can't simply say "Well I've got a kid so my opinion is worth more" as the situation is far more complex than a pathetic shutdown is too specific?

I appreciate your efforts to defend someone else's attempt to shut down my opinion of this particular Bulger story but I'll end the ridiculous merry go round of you attempting to twist my words here.

user104658 · 24-01-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Responding to a ridiculous generalisation used simply to shut down my viewpoint is too specific?

Pointing out that "parents" and "non parents" aren't all the same is too specific for you.

Highlighting the fact someone can't simply say "Well I've got a kid so my opinion is worth more" as the situation is far more complex than a pathetic shutdown is too specific?

I appreciate your efforts to defend someone else's attempt to shut down my opinion of this particular Bulger story but I'll end the ridiculous merry go round of you attempting to twist my words here.

I only see you twisting yourself in knots Marsh, in a rambling attempt to insist that your own view on every topic is worth its weight in gold. I wonder... IS there a topic where you might admit that relevant personal experience might make for a more informed opinion? Or do all people's opinions have to be considered equal across all topics?

Marsh. · 24-01-2019, 04:29 PM

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I only see you twisting yourself in knots Marsh, in a rambling attempt to insist that your own view on every topic is worth its weight in gold.

Couldn't be further from the truth. Bait someone else with your personal comments.

Marsh. · 24-01-2019, 05:05 PM

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IS there a topic where you might admit that relevant personal experience might make for a more informed opinion?

You haven't read a single one of my posts have you?

This comment says it all.

thesheriff443 · 24-01-2019, 08:18 AM

Marsh knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

You don’t need a child to have an opinion on this subject but having a child gives you a better understanding of what it would be like to lose that child.

It’s far easier to judge than to be judged.

Kazanne · 24-01-2019, 11:15 AM

This is why the family are so pissed off, and to have another child play James part is also pretty sick, we have already seen the police interviews with those two,so I see no reason other than notoriety this has been made.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/j...-a4045921.html