[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

No, I'm saying they wern't vocal the other week when that bloke went on stage with a severed Boris head...imo that was more incite full than words like surrender.

Get some perspective. ..that was a singer not the prime minister.
I didn't and don't condone that by the way, look at the thread I said it was disgusting at the time.

[Vicky.]

There sems to me to be a hell of a lot of projection going on here. I find it a bit ridiculous to only blame 'the right' for OTT language and such. Also tbh I would say saying traitor or surrender is not nearly as bad as branding people nazis? IDK..this argument seems daft to me as both sides are guilty of it all yet both try to make out its the other and only the other (not meaning people on here, about the uproar on twitter..

Boris does go way over the top though, didn't he say the negotiations with Ireland about the border were like putting on a suicide vest..or something along those lines? Ridiculous for any professinal, but definitely the PM. Needs to reign it in a bit and think before speaking, but hes not the only one..just the 'most powerful one' presently..

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think Boris handled that question poorly ftr but it's being deliberately misrepresented now with Jess Phillips saying he described Coxs murder as 'humbug' - that wasn't the case. He was disagreeing with her claim that using the term 'surrender bill' and Coxs murder were in any way connected. She also tried to claim that Boris used the word 'traitor' which he has never used

Jess Phillips who will stab Politicians in the front, not the back. Her words, not mine.

Language Timothy

[Twosugars]

A leading lawyer in the legal fight against Boris Johnson’s prorogation of parliament has said he may need to leave the country over death threats triggered by the supreme court case that ruled the suspension “unlawful, void and of no effect”.

Jolyon Maugham QC has revealed that his local police and crime commissioner was sufficiently concerned by recent threats against his life that he was advised to buy a stab vest, while a former counter-terrorism expert was ordered to install a panic button in Maugham’s home. High-end security equipment is also installed outside his home.
The Guardian

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There sems to me to be a hell of a lot of projection going on here. I find it a bit ridiculous to only blame 'the right' for OTT language and such. Also tbh I would say saying traitor or surrender is not nearly as bad as branding people nazis? IDK..this argument seems daft to me as both sides are guilty of it all yet both try to make out its the other and only the other (not meaning people on here, about the uproar on twitter..

Boris does go way over the top though, didn't he say the negotiations with Ireland about the border were like putting on a suicide vest..or something along those lines? Ridiculous for any professinal, but definitely the PM. Needs to reign it in a bit and think before speaking, but hes not the only one..just the 'most powerful one' presently..

omg he said that? that's disgraceful

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Get some perspective. ..that was a singer not the prime minister.
I didn't and don't condone that by the way, look at the thread I said it was disgusting at the time.

That was a singer with many impressionable fans..Anyway. ..the speaker allow Boris words to stand, so blame the speaker as he must deem them non inflammatory...

So I believe the singer with the head has and could cause more nutters to show thier hatred towards Boris than Boris and his descriprions of the gutless left.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There sems to me to be a hell of a lot of projection going on here. I find it a bit ridiculous to only blame 'the right' for OTT language and such. Also tbh I would say saying traitor or surrender is not nearly as bad as branding people nazis? IDK..this argument seems daft to me as both sides are guilty of it all yet both try to make out its the other and only the other (not meaning people on here, about the uproar on twitter..

Boris does go way over the top though, didn't he say the negotiations with Ireland about the border were like putting on a suicide vest..or something along those lines? Ridiculous for any professinal, but definitely the PM. Needs to reign it in a bit and think before speaking, but hes not the only one..just the 'most powerful one' presently..

'Left Wing Terrorism' isn't the number 1 rising terrorist threat in the west right now, it's right wing terrorism. The difference between calling someone like Trump a Nazi (which is more than apt, considering the ****er literally has concentration camps full of immigrants) is that doing so isn't going to result in terrorism towards the right while Trump's own words have been inspiring mass shootings since he's been in office. The Brexiters making out that they're fighting some holy war creates targets of the people they oppose and an MP has already been slain by such rhetoric and Jo won't be the last at this rate.

You cannot play the centrist and say that both sides are as bad as each other when the right have blood on their hands and they are willing to protect the people who spilled that blood.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That was a singer with many impressionable fans..Anyway. ..the speaker allow Boris words to stand, so blame the speaker as he must deem them non inflammatory...

So I believe the singer with the head has and could cause more nutters to show thier hatred towards Boris than Boris and his descriprions of the gutless left.

More whataboutism.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

More whataboutism.

Says the man who just said jo cox won't be the last......isn't that whataboutism?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Says the man who just said jo cox won't be the last......isn't that whataboutism?

No, that's not it in the slightest. I've explained whataboutism so many times to you and it's never sunk in. Every time I point out your whataboutism you just try to say 'No, you!' and it flops because you just don't understand what you are talking about.

Whataboutism is basically what it says on the tin. It's responding to a point by basically saying 'what about .......' in order to deflect. An example would be during the 2016 US elections, a lot of right wingers, when faced with troublesome aspects of Trump, responded with 'What about Hillary?' It's the act of ignoring something troubling about someone you support in order to pull focus on the opposition. Focusing on Hillary didn't change the fact that Trump was and still is corrupt AF, it merely shifted the narrative. You're trying to pull focus from a real issue in order to create false equivalency by saying 'what about this singer's stunt?' Doing so doesn't change the fact that what Boris did and has been doing is wrong, you're just trying to stop us from talking about it by shifting the conversation.

You have no excuse to not understand what whataboutism is now.

[Twosugars]

Rachel Johnson, the prime minister’s sister, has joined those condemning the PM for his language, and on Sky she singled out this comment for particular criticism. She said:

I do think it was particularly tasteless for those grieving a mother, MP and friend to say the best way to honour her memory is to deliver the thing she and her family campaigned against. I think it was a very tasteless way of referring to the memory of a murdered MP, murdered by someone who said “Britain first”, of the far right tendency, which you could argue is being whipped up by this sort of language.

In an interview with Sky, Rachel Johnson also criticised her brother’s language generally.

My brother is using words like surrender and capitulation as if the people standing in the way of the blessed will of the people as defined by 17.4m votes in 2016 should be hung, drawn, quartered, tarred and feathered. I think that is highly reprehensible language to use.

The Guardian

[arista]

Yes she said it on The Pledge
to be shown tonight.

SkyNewsHD showed a clip of just Rachel.


https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...ister-11819940

[The Slim Reaper]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What a coincidence. I'm not denying it happened, I'm just pointing out what a coincidence that on a day when these politicians are pushing for protection from the public that this would happen. It certainly makes her point more valid.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Rachel Johnson, the prime minister’s sister, has joined those condemning the PM for his language, and on Sky she singled out this comment for particular criticism. She said:

I do think it was particularly tasteless for those grieving a mother, MP and friend to say the best way to honour her memory is to deliver the thing she and her family campaigned against. I think it was a very tasteless way of referring to the memory of a murdered MP, murdered by someone who said “Britain first”, of the far right tendency, which you could argue is being whipped up by this sort of language.

In an interview with Sky, Rachel Johnson also criticised her brother’s language generally.

My brother is using words like surrender and capitulation as if the people standing in the way of the blessed will of the people as defined by 17.4m votes in 2016 should be hung, drawn, quartered, tarred and feathered. I think that is highly reprehensible language to use.

The Guardian

Boris Johnson seems to be the only one in his family not able to reason and be reasonable.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

How coincidentally. I'm not denying it happens, I'm just pointing out what a coincidence that on a day when these politicians are pushing for protection from the public that this would happen. It certainly makes her point more valid.

This stuff has been going on for a while, so I wouldn't say this happening the day after it kicked off publicly, is a coincidence necessarily. If I play along with the conspiracy angle, then I would suggest anyone that has an arrest on their record for threatening a politician, is not really going to either continue to be employed, or be able to gain employment any time soon. So on-going payments should be an easily obtainable level of proof.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Good they Arrested him
Lock him up

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Boris Johnson seems to be the only one in his family not able to reason and be reasonable.

He does look like the black sheep of his family.

Rachel, Jo and Stanley seem a reasonable and friendly bunch.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes she said it on The Pledge
to be shown tonight.

SkyNewsHD showed a clip of just Rachel.


https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...ister-11819940

For Arista

If you watch it, observe what a smashing pair of knockers Rachel has

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

For Arista

If you watch it, observe what a smashing pair of knockers Rachel has

I am sure she is much more than a "pair of knockers"

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am sure she is much more than a "pair of knockers"

Never said she wasn't. She is an intelligent, independent and accomplished woman.
But she does happen to have a bouncy pair. Noticed that on CBB

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There sems to me to be a hell of a lot of projection going on here. I find it a bit ridiculous to only blame 'the right' for OTT language and such. Also tbh I would say saying traitor or surrender is not nearly as bad as branding people nazis? IDK..this argument seems daft to me as both sides are guilty of it all yet both try to make out its the other and only the other (not meaning people on here, about the uproar on twitter..

Boris does go way over the top though, didn't he say the negotiations with Ireland about the border were like putting on a suicide vest..or something along those lines? Ridiculous for any professinal, but definitely the PM. Needs to reign it in a bit and think before speaking, but hes not the only one..just the 'most powerful one' presently..

Personally I'm blaming only the PM in this instance, the right wing nut jobs will be taking their cues from him..and you know what? I think he knows that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That was a singer with many impressionable fans..Anyway. ..the speaker allow Boris words to stand, so blame the speaker as he must deem them non inflammatory...

So I believe the singer with the head has and could cause more nutters to show thier hatred towards Boris than Boris and his descriprions of the gutless left.

No he certainly did not deem them non inflammatory.
Oh look Boris is having an affect on you now, you're calling the benches opposite the 'gutless left' good job you're not easily influenced and all that.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

'Left Wing Terrorism' isn't the number 1 rising terrorist threat in the west right now, it's right wing terrorism. The difference between calling someone like Trump a Nazi (which is more than apt, considering the ****er literally has concentration camps full of immigrants) is that doing so isn't going to result in terrorism towards the right while Trump's own words have been inspiring mass shootings since he's been in office. The Brexiters making out that they're fighting some holy war creates targets of the people they oppose and an MP has already been slain by such rhetoric and Jo won't be the last at this rate.

You cannot play the centrist and say that both sides are as bad as each other when the right have blood on their hands and they are willing to protect the people who spilled that blood.

I didn't say that and obviously I know that. Am not really on about calling trump a nazi either, it seems to be anyone with views not 'acceptable' to te left, which apparently seems to be anything even slightly right wing these days. Hell, for ****s sake I have been called a nazi on a fair few occasions by lefty dudebros. Its just the go to word it seems.

Honestly, whenever I post its fair to say its not about Trump at all. As basically, I want to attempt to pretend that idiotic prat does not exist at all as posting about him just makes me rage I have discovered, so I tend to avoid threads and stuff about him.

I do think both sides are as bad as each other in language. I think its ridiculous for 'the left' to be moaning about extreme language when 'they' are just as bad themselves. Obviously they are not as bad as each other when it comes to terrorism. That should be obvious.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Personally I'm blaming only the PM in this instance, the right wing nut jobs will be taking their cues from him..and you know what? I think he knows that.

The PM is responsible for how he acts and what he says of course. Admitting that he is not the only one, does not lessen blame on him.

Long story short, eveyone needs to chill the **** out, and think before they speak. Its getting ridiculous.