[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Swan

1. Incorrect.

2. Correct.

Post truth option 2

Ollie post truth option 1

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You've not explained anything, just contradicted.
People of both genders and all ethnicities have the same opportunities in life. In what way would it make a difference any more?
Apart from obvious things like if a woman wanted to be a sperm doner or footballer

It would be wonderful if everyone had the same opportunities in life but we don't and it's disgusting. People are still discriminated against constantly. Xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, you name it, those things are present all over in the UK, USA, Ireland, Australia, everywhere you might think people would be treated equally in 2019.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Are you saying you're white and black people were racist towards you?

Yes as a kid and teen i was mocked for being white. **** happens, no big deal, education is key, and white or black, the education was bad where i grew up.

As it happens im best friends now with one of the worst for the bullying back then. We realised our love of rap music and were inseparable for then onwards. Colour was no longer an issue, we bonded over our love of music.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A myth? Explain how so.

Because being white doesn't make you immune to depression so it means racism doesn't exist? That's a false equivalency.

Read my other posts.

White male privileged in everyday life is a myth, yes. I mean there are laws in place that make sure of that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Post truth option 2

Ollie post truth option 1

I didn't say anything about discrimination? I said everyone has the same opportunities in the modern world. Unless you think an employer is going to choose not to hire someone due to their race? Nah.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yes as a kid and teen i was mocked for being white. **** happens, no big deal, education is key, and white or black, the education was bad where i grew up.

As it happens im best friends now with one of the worst for the bullying back then. We realised our love of rap music and were inseparable for then onwards. Colour was no longer an issue, we bonded over our love of music.

That's awful, terrible you had to experience that in your childhood.

Would you say this kind of experience means that in general racism is an even field when it comes to all colours of skin/ethnicities or would you accept that in society people with white skin have it much easier when it comes to racism. And by racism I'm not just talking about overt racism (name calling in the street etc).

Again, racism doesn't mean that only one select group of people experience any one thing. It's discussing it at a societal level. White straight males are not a repressed minority. If by me saying that it offends you and makes you think I've said you're immune from hardship then that's a mindset you need to change, no one else, as the fact I stated in no way states that you have had an "easy" life.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yes as a kid and teen i was mocked for being white. **** happens, no big deal, education is key, and white or black, the education was bad where i grew up.

As it happens im best friends now with one of the worst for the bullying back then. We realised our love of rap music and were inseparable for then onwards. Colour was no longer an issue, we bonded over our love of music.

There is a difference between being mocked and stereotyped and experiencing racism. If those people were racist then they wouldn't have become your friends. If you mean you were literally a very young primary school aged child when this happened then those children were probably mimicking things they had heard from adults and weren't actually racist either.

Racism hurts, it makes people feel like they are second class citizens, it makes people feel like they're not good enough. People who experience racism have to work harder for things than we do, it's a fact.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

White male privileged in everyday life is a myth, yes. I mean there are laws in place that make sure of that.

There are laws we have which make murder wrong, does this mean murder doesn't still happen and actually sometimes goes undetected and unpunished? No.

Laws regulate something, it doesn't make it blink out of existence.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Racism hurts, it makes people feel like they are second class citizens, it makes people feel like they're not good enough. People who experience racism have to work harder for things than we do, it's a fact.

Maybe that's how Swan, or other white kids, feel when they're receiving racist bullying.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe that's how Swan, or other white kids, feel when they're receiving racist bullying.

I give up.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe that's how Swan, or other white kids, feel when they're receiving racist bullying.

Did you read his post?

"No big deal" so hardly affected his progression through life.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I give up.

lol why? the things you described can apply to anyone.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

lol why? the things you described can apply to anyone.

So that means society values white and non-white minorities equally?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So that means society values white and non-white minorities equally?

Of course it does, what makes you think it doesn't?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Of course it does, what makes you think it doesn't?

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's awful, terrible you had to experience that in your childhood.

Would you say this kind of experience means that in general racism is an even field when it comes to all colours of skin/ethnicities or would you accept that in society people with white skin have it much easier when it comes to racism. And by racism I'm not just talking about overt racism (name calling in the street etc).

Again, racism doesn't mean that only one select group of people experience any one thing. It's discussing it at a societal level. White straight males are not a repressed minority. If by me saying that it offends you and makes you think I've said you're immune from hardship then that's a mindset you need to change, no one else, as the fact I stated in no way states that you have had an "easy" life.

Historically i admit with no reservations that black people has faced much, much harsher racism.

However my point is here is everyone needs accept racism and homophobia exists, it always will unfortunately. But the people fighting bigotry need not to isolate those on THEIR side because they happen to be a straight white male. Im not saying you, im not saying all, im saying a fair few of the people fighting for diversity exclude the white straight male, this shouldn't happen, i can assure you millions of straight whit males what their fellow man, woman and child to be accepted no matter race, religion and sexuality.

Some of the videos of seen of the extreme left being openly racist towards white people, whist demonstrating AGAINST racism is astounding. We'll never progress if we can't accept others differences, no matter what they may be.

You're saying im playing the 'im white it's all about me card' well you're absolutely wrong, im not playing a card here. Political correctness is nothing more than a joke now, it isolates people, it separates people, it is bad for progression, bad for a democratic society.

Imo opinion this 'white straight male' ideology adopted by a large section of the left (especially the over hypocritical middle class young voter) cost Labour big time. Good honest people are being told how they have life easy because of race, sexuality, when in reality this just simply isn't true.

We need to be united, we need to be accepting of one another, acceptance is key, and that works both ways.

edit - it's too late in the night to correct all those outstanding typo's, and im operating on a sleeping pill here.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So you have no reason to think it doesn't? You can't take these things as read, I've not seen any reason to assume minorities are seen as lesser by society.

What makes you think it doesn't?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So you have no reason to think it doesn't? You can't take these things as read, I've not seen any reason to assume minorities are seen as lesser by society.

What makes you think it doesn't?

Because I see the world outside of my own bubble. You obviously think your experiences are universal. You do you, Oliver.

[Swan]

Racism is racism, the colour of ones skin shouldn't mean their racist experience was any lesser than the other victim faced.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Historically i admit with no reservations that black people has faced much, much harsher racism.

However my point is here is everyone needs accept racism and homophobia exists, it always will unfortunately. But the people fighting bigotry need not to isolate those on THEIR side because they happen to be a straight white male. Im not saying you, im not saying all, im saying a fair few of the people fighting for diversity exclude the white straight male, this shouldn't happen, i can assure you millions of straight whit males what their fellow man, woman and child to be accepted no matter race, religion and sexuality.

Some of the videos of seen of the extreme left being openly racist towards white people, whist demonstrating AGAINST racism is astounding. We'll never progress if we can't accept others differences, no matter what they may be.

You're saying im playing the 'im white it's all about me card' well you're absolutely wrong, im not playing a card here. Political correctness is nothing more than a joke now, it isolates people, it separates people, it is bad for progression, bad for a democratic society.

Imo opinion this 'white straight male' ideology adopted by a large section of the left (especially the over hypocritical middle class young voter) cost Labour big time. Good honest people are being told how they have life easy because of race, sexuality, when in reality this just simply isn't true.

We need to be united, we need to be accepting of one another, acceptance is key, and that works both ways.

Well, I'm not talking the odd few bad apples. They don't represent everyone, and as you say, there will always be bad apples.

I never said you were playing the "I'm white card" I said you were playing whatabourtery. I brought up racism, homophobia and sexism and you responded as though I said white, straight men had NO issues or problems in their lives, rather than just the issues at hand. There is no reason a discussion about homophobia should include a response like "Just because I'm straight doesn't make my life easy" when any issues you've faced are highly unlikely to have been due to your sexuality. Whereas the homophobia faced by non-straight people is an issue. No need to bring anything else into it.

Your point about homophobia and racism always existing is probably true, humanity hates difference or change so it will always manifest in various forms. However, that means non-white people or non-straight people should just accept it and accept the prejudice? No. Why should they? It's very easy for someone who doesn't experience it to say.

If people accepted the disadvantages society threw at them there are all kinds of developments we would have never made over the years. Not accepting it changes things for the better. Why that progress should be stifled I have no idea.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Racism is racism, the colour of ones skin shouldn't mean their racist experience was any lesser than the other victim faced.

On an individual basis, of course not.

On a societal level you would argue that white and black people face racism on an equal scale?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So you have no reason to think it doesn't? You can't take these things as read, I've not seen any reason to assume minorities are seen as lesser by society.

What makes you think it doesn't?

That must come with the sheltered middle class privilege package.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Because I see the world outside of my own bubble. You obviously think your experiences are universal. You do you, Oliver.

What have you seen that's outside your bubble that makes you think that way? There are no longer barriers for BAME people, in fact some places have preferential hiring practices in an effort to correct mistakes from the past, I'd say that indicates an accepting society.

[Cal.]

-dances sexily-

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

That must come with the sheltered middle class privilege package.

What might i have seen if I'd have grown up in different circumstances?