[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

...I don’t know if you’ve watched ‘Don’t **** With Cats...’.../Netflix...but it’s something that I’ve just watched within the last few days...and it kind of fits perfectly with this topic..(..it’s also disturbed me a little..)..desensitisation is a strange thing because a group of people were watching someone being brutally killed/horrifically killed ...and some of the reactions, although of shock...were quite worrying also...how the killer had ‘desensitised’ his audience, if you like...how (..although horrified..)...they were becoming distracted with his ‘cat and mouse’ game...and yes, there was horror and upset that this person being brutally slain was a human... but he had just become ‘A human‘...as opposed to ‘A cat’, you know...?...

...even when someone has done some pretty evil stuff in their lives, it repulses me at the thought of watching a ‘public execution’ and taking any type of pleasure or satisfaction in it...and many people have watched beheadings of captives by terrorist groups, that’s something that I also could never do...


...but I can though...(..when I’m in the vibe..)...shoot the bejesus repeatedly out of zombies and the like in a video game...

[Kizzy]

Well I can't comment on the cat film as I'm too much of a wuss to watch it
In real life situations though can any of it be a product of desensitisation, from MPs baying for military action in response to agression that will affect civilians to refugee children lying dead on beaches... how much of that has a basis in desensitisation?
We don't know, but can we hand on heart say none?

I'm an extreme case I know that, I can't even watch zombie films and I know that's irrational as they dont even exist! I can't play shooting games at all because I can't handle the feeling of being hunted, and it's always been like that its not something I've come to in middle age.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So true. Sad aging alcoholics raging at world and trying to bring everyone to their morally-bankrupt level. Sadly too familiar.

I'm not the one suffering from depression....nor an alcoholic. .aging yes. ...Im 50 this year, same age as question of sport...

Your response is typical of someone suffering from depression....blame others and refuse or refute any help or blame on thier own side.

[Ammi]

....that’s always the interesting thing with stuff like CBT...how we can ‘make sense of and associate’ so much when we mind-map ourselves and trace our thought processes...it’s something that we tend to not do that often, if it all.....but it’s amazing how much would make perfect sense, fitted to our life experiences/fears etc ...and our ‘quirks’, if you like...well, it’s all our individuality...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If there is a very distinct differential then why do film makers now try more inventive ways to turn peoples stomachs?
It's only acting, yet if there is a physiological response to that acting then how can we be 100% certain there couldn't be a psychological one?

What makes us sick in these instances, is it a response to a visual image that creates extreme anxiety and that manifests physically?
Sounds like how I would describe a symptom of PTSD.

Ive been thinking about this for a long time and that's the only thing I can put it down to then if they affect me and some in a certain way and not others, as a response to past trauma?

I'm not wrong to feel like that nor is it wrong to express that that is how I feel about the subject.

Like I said...everyone reacts differently to certain things.

Good post.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Your response is typical of someone suffering from depression....blame others and refuse or refute any help or blame on thier own side.

This is a disgusting thing to say, so many of us who are suffering from depression are not in denial and have tried our hardest to get help and heed advice from professionals. You need to educate yourself, because depression makes a lot of people feel worthless and blame themselves for everything too.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If there is a very distinct differential then why do film makers now try more inventive ways to turn peoples stomachs?
It's only acting, yet if there is a physiological response to that acting then how can we be 100% certain there couldn't be a psychological one?

What makes us sick in these instances, is it a response to a visual image that creates extreme anxiety and that manifests physically?
Sounds like how I would describe a symptom of PTSD.

Ive been thinking about this for a long time and that's the only thing I can put it down to then if they affect me and some in a certain way and not others, as a response to past trauma?

I'm not wrong to feel like that nor is it wrong to express that that is how I feel about the subject.

Well, "triggering" is obviously a real thing, by its actual original definition... the word has been thrown around so much in recent years its become meaningless... But yes some people will find certain things / certain images bring up memories of past real life experiences and that's why I think it's important for people to be personally aware of the things they can and can't watch. That could apply to any genre though; someone who has been in a near-fatal car crash might have a tough time playing racing games or watching a "Fast & Furious" film... Or, someone who has been badly affected by a cheating partner might be retraumatised by a film about an affair. Ex drug users with films that show heavy drug use. Etc etc.

But it is all linked to real life experiences... No one gets scared of real driving because they saw a bad crash in a film. People don't become suspicious/jealous/controlling in relationships because they watched too many soaps with cheating couples in them. And non-violent people don't turn violent because they played GTA.

I don't think we can start banning and restricting things in sweeping motions based on it affecting some viewers because where does it end? There hypothetically is a point where its "a step too far" - the game LT mentioned is one, and there have in fact been other "rape simulation" games before which obviously should not exist and no publisher would release them - so no mainstream or published indie film or game falls into that category, it's all self-published trash so it's really a completely separate thing and harder to address.

[Kizzy]

Just because it's been overused out of context hijacked by those seeking to denigrate people does not render the term or it's original definition meaningless.
There are still triggers, people can be and are triggered.
A psychological issue that affects how a person may process images or sounds that does not cease to be because you are bored of hearing the word given to describe that manifestation.

Your explanation of what and why to avoid films and/ or games if affected by real life issues is a bit simplistic and in a way obvious. It says nothing of the people who feel how they do but have no such experience. Are all those people sickened by film violence unaware of some childhood phobia?

Again ...nobody has mentioned or advocated banning or restricting anything.
The only point I made was how they affected ME. I appreciate they don't affect you and neither of us can say wit 100% accuracy how they affect other people.

And don't tell me you've never looked under the seat of your plane for a snake... cos well, I just won't believe you.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Just because it's been overused out of context hijacked by those seeking to denigrate people does not render the term or it's original definition meaningless.
There are still triggers, people can be and are triggered.
A psychological issue that affects how a person may process images or sounds that does not cease to be because you are bored of hearing the word given to describe that manifestation.

Your explanation of what and why to avoid films and/ or games if affected by real life issues is a bit simplistic and in a way obvious. It says nothing of the people who feel how they do but have no such experience. Are all those people sickened by film violence unaware of some childhood phobia?

Again ...nobody has mentioned or advocated banning or restricting anything.
The only point I made was how they affected ME. I appreciate they don't affect you and neither of us can say wit 100% accuracy how they affect other people.

And don't tell me you've never looked under the seat of your plane for a snake... cos well, I just won't believe you.

Out of interest, what films from your childhood affected you?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t know if you’ve watched ‘Don’t **** With Cats...’.../Netflix...but it’s something that I’ve just watched within the last few days...and it kind of fits perfectly with this topic..(..it’s also disturbed me a little..)..desensitisation is a strange thing because a group of people were watching someone being brutally killed/horrifically killed ...and some of the reactions, although of shock...were quite worrying also...how the killer had ‘desensitised’ his audience, if you like...how (..although horrified..)...they were becoming distracted with his ‘cat and mouse’ game...and yes, there was horror and upset that this person being brutally slain was a human... but he had just become ‘A human‘...as opposed to ‘A cat’, you know...?...

...even when someone has done some pretty evil stuff in their lives, it repulses me at the thought of watching a ‘public execution’ and taking any type of pleasure or satisfaction in it...and many people have watched beheadings of captives by terrorist groups, that’s something that I also could never do...


...but I can though...(..when I’m in the vibe..)...shoot the bejesus repeatedly out of zombies and the like in a video game...

With that 'Don't ******* with Cats' its a little more disturbing because it's based on a real story (which I disagree with, giving people like that the spotlight encourages more to do the same)

[user104658]

I've never looked under a plane seat for snakes, but I did once see something where loads of spiders came up from a toilet and yes that's something I think/worry about a lot while I'm poopin'.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

This is a disgusting thing to say, so many of us who are suffering from depression are not in denial and have tried our hardest to get help and heed advice from professionals. You need to educate yourself, because depression makes a lot of people feel worthless and blame themselves for everything too.

I know all that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i remember going to see I spit in your Grave

we all thought it was a real snuff movie and were so excited

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a personal belief, I have to say you're coming across a bit militant about it. Theres nothing written that says you have
To have all your views grounded in science... again it's nothing like antivaxxers or that mindset as there is no risk posed to myself or anyone else due to my views and I don't impose them on anyone else or my childrent. They can have their own view as individuals.

Can you stop trying to make out I'm trying to prevent you from having your own beliefs? I'm not, I'm just opposed to people talking about issues like this when there's actual scientific evidence discounting the idea that similulated violence can inspire someone to be violent who wouldn't have been without playing a game or watching a certain film.

You can have your opinion based on nothing and I can choose to say that I oppose it because science says it's bull****.

[Tom4784]

I've been playing violent games for as long as I remember, I remember my mom letting me and my sister watch the Scream films as soon as they came out on video which would have placed me at around 6-9 for each film. I don't blink at simulated violence because it's not real, I knew what back then and I know it now. However, if I see real violence, when I get exposes to pictures of death and people being explicitly maimed, I get affected by that **** because it's real and I pretty much run away from it because I don't want to see it.

Fictional violence can never be equated to actual violence.

[user104658]

Even really simple things serve as an example of that. Like... You can watc "John Wick" snapping limbs right left and centre and its just a bit of fun movie action... But then I remember in Geordie Shore when they were all in Mexico and Gaz and James did some wrestling thing, they're holding and pushing each other back and James' knee ****ing dislocates or something and his whole leg goes the wrong way and I swear I was almost physically sick. I can picture it right now, it was more horrific than anything I've seen in a "Saw" film or anything like that. Blehhhh.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Even really simple things serve as an example of that. Like... You can watc "John Wick" snapping limbs right left and centre and its just a bit of fun movie action... But then I remember in Geordie Shore when they were all in Mexico and Gaz and James did some wrestling thing, they're holding and pushing each other back and James' knee ****ing dislocates or something and his whole leg goes the wrong way and I swear I was almost physically sick. I can picture it right now, it was more horrific than anything I've seen in a "Saw" film or anything like that. Blehhhh.

I recall seeing a viral clip of a football's leg being broken and it still makes me feel faint just remembering it and I could easily watch the same thing happen in a film and not blink because I know it's not real.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Can you stop trying to make out I'm trying to prevent you from having your own beliefs? I'm not, I'm just opposed to people talking about issues like this when there's actual scientific evidence discounting the idea that similulated violence can inspire someone to be violent who wouldn't have been without playing a game or watching a certain film.

You can have your opinion based on nothing and I can choose to say that I oppose it because science says it's bull****.

Well that's how it comes across..where the scientific evidence that my thought processes align with antivaxxers as you suggested, that's your opinion based on nothing isn't it?

Again all subconscious thought and feeling cannot be subjected to scientific scrutiny or faith and religion would cease to be.
I will have my bull'sh*t view, you can continue on your mindless quest to be right

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've been playing violent games for as long as I remember, I remember my mom letting me and my sister watch the Scream films as soon as they came out on video which would have placed me at around 6-9 for each film. I don't blink at simulated violence because it's not real, I knew what back then and I know it now. However, if I see real violence, when I get exposes to pictures of death and people being explicitly maimed, I get affected by that **** because it's real and I pretty much run away from it because I don't want to see it.

Fictional violence can never be equated to actual violence.

So due to your exposure at a young age do you feel desensitised, what are your thoughts on those who are knocked sick by screen violence?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Even really simple things serve as an example of that. Like... You can watc "John Wick" snapping limbs right left and centre and its just a bit of fun movie action... But then I remember in Geordie Shore when they were all in Mexico and Gaz and James did some wrestling thing, they're holding and pushing each other back and James' knee ****ing dislocates or something and his whole leg goes the wrong way and I swear I was almost physically sick. I can picture it right now, it was more horrific than anything I've seen in a "Saw" film or anything like that. Blehhhh.

Yes.. I get that, but you haven't given any thought to those who very much are affected for no obvious reason.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Swan

Out of interest, what films from your childhood affected you?

I'm trying to think.. I was really scared by darleks they had really scary voices. I always felt safe going to bed though as I knew they couldn't get upstairs
I know they can now which had they been then would have been awful.

I wasn't allowed to watch scary things I don't think, maybe that's why I can't handle horror now? The theme music was scary enough, I came downstails once as 'tales from the darkside' was starting, I shot back to bed!

I could just be oversensitive, I have to sleep with my door open and a Chink of light from the toilet haha! What a strange child I am.

So in summary, screen violence/blood/gore nope, game violence/ blood/ gore nope and real life violence/ blood / gore nope.

However... accident or injury and im there, I'm not medically trained but blood/ gore/ sick/ pus does not phase me one one bit.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm trying to think.. I was really scared by darleks they had really scary voices. I always felt safe going to bed though as I knew they couldn't get upstairs
I know they can now which had they been then would have been awful.

I wasn't allowed to watch scary things I don't think, maybe that's why I can't handle horror now? The theme music was scary enough, I came downstails once as 'tales from the darkside' was starting, I shot back to bed!

I could just be oversensitive, I have to sleep with my door open and a Chink of light from the toilet haha! What a strange child I am.

So in summary, screen violence/blood/gore nope, game violence/ blood/ gore nope and real life violence/ blood / gore nope.

However... accident or injury and im there, I'm not medically trained but blood/ gore/ sick/ pus does not phase me one one bit.

Awww haha i never watched Doctor Who, but i can imagine that being scary as a kid. Also, funny you say about Tales of the Darkside because that theme music is seriously creepy, never heard it as a child but i like it now

I remember as a child i would sleep with the light on, two things i saw that terrified me - The original vhs cover of IT in the video shop (that clown scared the hell out of me) and those public service ads/warning on TV, omg did they scare me, i saw one on my little portable TV when i was about 9 late at night, after that i never watched TV in bed again (well i did when i grew up haha).

Getting to your point, i understand what you're saying and it's not for all, im fully against children seeing any type of horror films as it does have some effect, be that small or almost life changing. However, as an adult i think it's fine, watch what you like as far as film goes. But putting say Cannibal Holocaust on in front of a child and you're asking for trouble imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

well they have age ratings on video games so "they" must be worried that violent games have an effect on kids

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Can you stop trying to make out I'm trying to prevent you from having your own beliefs? I'm not, I'm just opposed to people talking about issues like this when there's actual scientific evidence discounting the idea that similulated violence can inspire someone to be violent who wouldn't have been without playing a game or watching a certain film.

You can have your opinion based on nothing and I can choose to say that I oppose it because science says it's bull****.

I say that's not true due to the amount of money generated from film and gaming. ..but people laugh when I say that the industry is to big to rock. .seemingly only governments are above that ridicule.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well they have age ratings on video games so "they" must be worried that violent games have an effect on kids

Only matters with some if it's the fags.