[Moniqua]

maybe next time he should keep his fat mouth shut?

[Babayaro.]

Video isn't the best as it's very shaky and quite short, but the old man is clearly a horrible person who got what he deserved, really.

It was hardly a beating up either, like the article suggests, so I think the two men were quite restrained in their reactions.

[Ammi]

...this is another article ...(...not condoning violence obviously..)...the older guy called people the ‘N’ word as well....


‘My cousin was leaning on the hand bars and the man randomly pushed his elbow off. So he did the normal thing and turned around confused and asked, “Why did you push my arm off?”

‘The man then replied by shouting, “Don’t talk to me you monkey,” which is when my friend turned around and said, “What did you say?” ‘We were all so shocked and then the man proceeded by shouting, “Stop talking to me you monkeys, ******* off,” repeatedly. She added another passenger on the bus reported the elderly man to the bus driver who called the police. The camerawoman said that before the physical altercation, ‘the bus driver called the police on the white man, but they clearly didn’t get there in time’. ‘The man then began calling us n****** and saying we shouldn’t be on the bus. He then kept coming forward as if he was going to push us,’ she added.

‘But then as you can see in the video ended up actually swinging for my friends, which is why they hit him. It was simply self defence.’ She said the other bus passengers advised the group leave the scene before the police arrived. ‘Everybody on the bus suggested us leaving. They all already know how the system is. We would have been arrested,’ she explained. In a lengthy post accompanying the clip, the Instagram user wrote: ‘Imagine being on the bus minding your business when a man begins calling you a monkey and a n***** and shouting at you to get off the bus. Keep in mind he tried swinging first.’


In a caption on one of her Instagram clips, she claimed the pensioner ‘got what he deserved’. A spokesperson from the Metropolitan Police told Metro.co.uk: ‘Police were alerted shortly before 6.40pm on Tuesday, September 8, to reports of a racially aggravated assault on a bus on Lawrence Street, NW7. ‘It was alleged that a man made racist remarks towards another passenger while on board the 251 bus towards Arnos Grove. ‘Following this, the man who reportedly made the remarks was then assaulted.Officers attended and found a 70-year-old man with head injuries. ‘London Ambulance Service also attended and the man was taken to hospital.


...full article..


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[Oliver_W]

Name-calling doesn't warrant violence, even if it does expose him as a twat.

[Ammi]

...being called ‘a monkey’ or a ‘N’ isn’t name calling, it’s racial abuse ...and it’s also been reported as him becoming physical first as well.../..the video isn’t clear enough, though... so we’ll see...but ‘name calling’ does diminish something very series in the most disrespectful way...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...being called ‘a monkey’ or a ‘N’ isn’t name calling, it’s racial abuse ...and it’s also been reported as him becoming physical first as well.../..the video isn’t clear enough, though... so we’ll see...but ‘name calling’ does diminish something very series in the most disrespectful way...

I have to ask something here Ammi, I'm afraid. If, in the context of school children, a child was racially abusing another child... would you then take no action if that child turned around and punched them in the face (hard enough to give them multiple contusions)?

Would you take no action if the other kid hit first?

Would you take no action, even if the kid being abusive was a known and persistent bully?

I'm hoping and assuming that the answer to all of those, is that physical violence is never the appropriate response. That defending yourself is OK if someone won't get off of you, for example, is OK but if someone hits you and runs away... you tell someone, you don't chase after them and hit them back.

And assuming all of those things (and I really do hope I'm right, that a teacher wouldn't ever justify children carrying out physical retaliation)..

WHY on earth would it be OK for grown adults to engage in unnecessary physical retaliation?

I'm not talking about empathy here; of course you might understand why a kid would hit back. I understand why the people on the bus were frustrated, upset, enraged and hit back. Empathising with why it happened is NOT the same thing as condoning it, and certainly not the same as encouraging it or advocating for it as an appropriate course of action.

Can we forgive these guys for being frustrated, hurt and lashing out? Absolutely... but should we be telling them (and others) that it was justified? In fact not even just justified - but the RIGHT thing to do?

I just can't imagine it.

I can't imagine that you'd be approached by a child saying that another child did something to them - even something awful - and the response would be "Oh you should have socked them one back, right in the side of the head, little Jimmy".

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I can't imagine that you'd be approached by a child saying that another child did something to them - even something awful - and the response would be "Oh you should have socked them one back, right in the side of the head, little Jimmy".

[Liam-]

He wasn’t punched because of the names, he was punched because he was violent first

[Oliver_W]

Oh come on, his "getting physical" could be ignored by moving a few feet away. The response was no way proportionate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Were they not taught sticks and stones?

I'm sure all the extreme left violence in America has influenced them.

Which is shocking

[bots]

i know it can some times be very difficult to keep your cool under extreme provocation, the law was on their side, the police had been called and they were never in danger from a potty mouthed pensioner

[Liam-]

Yeah, let’s just ignore racial abuse and violence

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yeah, let’s just ignore racial abuse and violence

What's the use in responding to it? His mind's not gonna be changed and no-one was agreeing with him, so ignoring him was literally the best thing to do.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What's the use in responding to it? His mind's not gonna be changed and no-one was agreeing with him, so ignoring him was literally the best thing to do.

Why should they ignore it? Why should they sit and listen to a horrible racist pig racially abuse them and turn the other cheek? Why should we be expecting them to suffer through it? They shouldn’t just have to accept and absorb horrible, volatile and violent bigoted abuse

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why should they ignore it? Why should they sit and listen to a horrible racist pig racially abuse them and turn the other cheek? Why should we be expecting them to suffer through it? They shouldn’t just have to accept and absorb horrible, volatile and violent bigoted abuse

Sure, shout him down. Call him names back. That's as far as it should go.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sure, shout him down. Call him names back. That's as far as it should go.

I agree, everyone on the bus should have been giving him a mouthful and/or telling him that he was massively out of line. As soon as he started getting physically violent the bus should have been stopped, and the police called. Again I know that's "ideal world" stuff and again I understand WHY those men lost control and lashed out at him, I'm not condemning the action, I'm just also never going to condone it.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And when we find out the old aged pensioner has altzheimers or another mental health disability which caused his outburst

Then what?

Just wondering why you are trying to come up with these what if scenarios to try and justify this man's racial abuse, hmm.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sure, shout him down. Call him names back. That's as far as it should go.

Racial hate speech is not "name calling".

[Babayaro.]

Ammi & Liam are right!

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Ammi & Liam are right!

Well Ammi is more alt-right but thank you

[thesheriff443]

Racism and violence are both crimes.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Racism and violence are both crimes.

Punching a weak old man is worse than using bad words, maybe they can take each other to court?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Punching a weak old man is worse than using bad words, maybe they can take each other to court?

In terms of a court sentences yes.

But most arguments and violence starts with people exchanging words insults

You don’t know the person you are arguing with and in turn don’t know what they will do.

[Liam-]

Nah, anyone that’s big enough to feel comfortable starting violence should be big and comfortable enough to expect it back

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nah, anyone that’s big enough to feel comfortable starting violence should be big and comfortable enough to expect it back

This outlook is childish and I personally don't feel like (or that I should have to) shy away from saying that. Really ridiculous.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This outlook is childish and I personally don't feel like (or that I should have to) shy away from saying that. Really ridiculous.

That’s your opinion and I respect that