[Ammi]

...to be fair, though...with Meghan specifically and her not feeling accepted by the media and some public etc, all which led up to her and Harry’s decision to step back from the type of ‘fame’ they were receiving ...(...I don’t know about anything domestically within the Royal family, none of us do...we either choose to absorb gossip and have that impact our opinions or we don’t...)...there were very much race related things involved, right from the off there were with comments like ‘exotic blood’ and ‘wrong side of the tracks’...there were many undercurrents of race related...and even with little Archie, of that photo and comment released when he was born...there was absolutely no subtlety there of the meaning ...so if and when that’s questioned../..pondered or whatever...it’s for very good and obvious reason and that’s the whole point, everything has a reason...and it is a reason because it has been an actual reason for Harry and Meghan as a statement was given out about it at one time...so I would say, very much contributory...

...yes we can like or we can dislike, of course and it can be based on many things...especially when it’s a ‘I don’t know them but I dislike them intensely’ though...there are usually very much, reasons for that...some type of personal association type thing that someone just can’t take to that person...otherwise it does indeed become of the ‘irrational’ vein....because we all do know the reasons for our likes and dislikes etc...for others whose mindsets in likes/dislikes of people have a tendency to have a reasoning...then a natural reasoning is searched for with thought processing...and yeah, that will lead to things that we know...that’s the way that reasoning links in the old head...

...so far as Kanye is concerned and his often erratic behaviour...well exactly that...there is a reason a very obvious and definite reason for liking or disliking and everything in between, as it were...he is bipolar and has very poor mental health and because he also has to live that out in public...then yeah, it will create very ‘bi polar’ of opinions about him...

[Ammi]

...very plentiful use of the word ‘reason’ there...

[Ammi]

...that was the long of it because I’ve just woken up so my thoughts aren’t completely together yet...but the short of it...?...is that so many things that have been reported with Meghan that have been so similar to things with Kate...have been entirely different in their slant and vein of... with one being very positive and the other being very negative, when there really has t been differences in those things so the logical would be of s similar vein in reporting...so in view of that and the things that have been stated outright and openly inferred etc...of course, ‘race’ is questioned and absolutely questioned in the name of equal, surely it’s everyone’s responsibility to question...

[Swan]

Tbf the phrase "wrong side of the tracks" has nothing to do with a persons race, more to do with their standing in society if you like. Same as and similar to "a bit rough around the edges". Neither race related.

Of course, some of the old fashioned, Royal 'purists' may be against "Harry marrying a coloured girl". And of course they'll be a very small minority who are against her because she is mixed race. But to say the dislike of her is spearheaded by race is utterly absurd imo.

She does herself no favours, they both don't. They're not wonderfully likeable people. A lot of us are just fed up of their hypocrisy at every turn, and it's so awfully plain to see.

I think it weakens a persons argument when they holler "racist" at someone because they happen to dislike a mixed race person.

The perfect example being me, i cannot stand Megan, i don't hate her, but my god i think both of them are pompous, deluded, hypocritical idiots, yet i have a mix raced girlfriend. Would you point the finger at me and spout racist accusations towards me because i don't like Megan? Probably not.

A very, very, VERY small minority of people will be against Megan because of her race. But by saying "oh well obviously everyone who doesn't like her is racist" is beyond any form or rational.

[bots]

i find them dull, predictable and irrelevant. Hate is a very strong word that should be used sparingly against precise examples and not thrown around as a general method of silencing opposing opinions

[Ammi]

...we don’t know whether it’s minority or majority though because there hasn’t been a balance of anything in the media, so of course...we question in what we see and experience, not what we don’t see and experience...racism/prejudice will and should always be questioned If it’s been such an undercurrent which has been a constant, as it has with Meghan...and with ‘wrong side of the tracks’...?...obviously we have to look at the whole context and whole media picture as it were and can’t exclude or isolate from ‘exotic blood’...

...as for ‘hypocrites’ ...well, we are all...every single one of us...and with celebrity hypocrites...well, welcome to the world of many and many and every one and all.....


...anyways, all in all, things are questioned because they should be because if they weren’t then the surface appearance would be of the ‘irrational’ ....

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't think many people really care, it's just a few obssessives that bend over backwards to hate them. If someone finds themselves hating them for being 'royal scroungers' and then hating them for getting a career path outside of the Royal Family to fund their Independence than that is pure irrational hatred. To hate them for something and then hate them for trying to change that thing is just unreasonable and irrational.

These same people hated Meghan and then hated her more when she peaced out, normal people would have just left it at that but irrational people are not normal. It doesn't matter what the couple does, the same people will always hate them and that's obsessive behaviour and incredibly unhealthy.

If anyone spends their life discussing someone they hate to such lengths, to me that's just a waste. They are not world leaders, they are not killers or criminals, they are basically celebrities whose lives have no real impact on anyone else's. it's all just very sad, really.

Pretty much this.

They’ll never accept it though

[Swan]

In your honest opinion Ammi, would you say the dislike, on the whole, of Megan is spearheaded by her race?

I don't really read newspaper headlines, but by the general feeling i get by the people i see online who don't like her, it really has nothing to do her race.

[Glenn.]

Regardless of her race the hatred of her is not warranted, hence irrational

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Regardless of her race the hatred of her is not warranted, hence irrational

Well that's another issue too. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you hate the person. The word 'hate' is thrown around way too much in these Megan and Harry threads.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well that's another issue too. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you hate the person. The word 'hate' is thrown around way too much in these Megan and Harry threads.

When you’re saying the complete opposite of nice things about people it’s exactly the word to use. People that have such an issue with the pair of them on here are completely irrational with their opinions of them.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

In your honest opinion Ammi, would you say the dislike, on the whole, of Megan is spearheaded by her race?

I don't really read newspaper headlines, but by the general feeling i get by the people i see online who don't like her, it really has nothing to do her race.

....I can’t really say on the ‘whole’ because I don’t know...but I do think that when ‘the irrational’ rears it’s head to the extent of the intense negativity levelled at Meghan then the ‘the logical’ will try to make sense of, it’s a natural thought processing and as there have been so many undercurrents of prejudices toward Meghan’s bloodline...then it’s right to be questioned...prejudice should always be questioned if we seek progression...and seek equality...


...if I personally felt some kind of dislike for someone I’d never spoken to and only ever essentially experienced ‘gossip’ from sources who had an investment in that gossip../...as in some sources of ‘media’...then I would question my dislike of...because there is very rarely, if ever..’no reason’...

...I guess all I can say really with ‘it seems to have nothing to do with her race’...?...is that there wouldn’t be many people who would openly say ‘no, I don’t like the colour of her skin, I’m not really a fan for the Royal bloodline’.....so again, it’s all understandably questioned because of those constant undercurrents and not so undercurrents but more blatant etc...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

Well that's another issue too. Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you hate the person. The word 'hate' is thrown around way too much in these Megan and Harry threads.

...we always have to look at ‘too much’ on ‘both sides’ though, when our thought processes search...but so far as ‘both sides’ do go as well..?...it takes two sides and both sides to continue this tedious dance, which is felt as well, I feel...my main thoughts yesterday were of the fake news bit...but regardless of fake or no fake...the dance continues and continues, which I’ll be sitting out because there’s only so much dancing before exhaustion becomes a thing as well...

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...we always have to look at ‘too much’ on ‘both sides’ though, when our thought processes search...but so far as ‘both sides’ do go as well..?...it takes two sides and both sides to continue this tedious dance, which is felt as well, I feel...my main thoughts yesterday were of the fake news bit...but regardless of fake or no fake...the dance continues and continues, which I’ll be sitting out because there’s only so much dancing before exhaustion becomes a thing as well...

Im with you on that. I actually didn't want to even read this thread, i just wanted to address the whole 'you hate her because you're racist' which i feel is absurd. And it's the same with everything nowadays, the 'you're a racist' is thrown around way too often by certain members. But anyway, i'll leave it at that.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

When you’re saying the complete opposite of nice things about people it’s exactly the word to use. People that have such an issue with the pair of them on here are completely irrational with their opinions of them.

By calling out their questionable behaviour, it doesn't mean you hate them. If you don't say nice things about them, that also doesn't mean you hate them either. Get a grip!

Anyway, im out.

[Glenn.]

I think if you refuse to see anything good in someone, by default you hate them yes?

When you’re imagining peoples thought processes and seeing them thought processes as fact by default that would be an irrational way of thinking yes?

Irrational hatred yes?

[Swan]

I like that she's against hunting for sport, a sport loved by her in-laws. So yeah, there you go she's not all bad. Would i qualify as not hating her now, and simply disliking her?!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

Im with you on that. I actually didn't want to even read this thread, i just wanted to address the whole 'you hate her because you're racist' which i feel is absurd. And it's the same with everything nowadays, the 'you're a racist' is thrown around way too often by certain members. But anyway, i'll leave it at that.

...I have to say that ‘certain members’ posts are focused on in criticism while other ‘certain members’ are overlooked, but I’ll also leave that at that...I honestly don’t feel in any way that prejudice being questioned is in any way absurd in view of everything that has led up to Meghan and Harry’s decision to step down from Royal life...and also in view of the ‘Meghan/Kate’ comparisons being so totally apart and extreme, while the situations were so similar...

[Glenn.]

You can be as pedantic as you like but it doesn’t make what I said wrong.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I think if you refuse to see anything good in someone, by default you hate them yes?

When you’re imagining peoples thought processes and seeing them thought processes as fact by default that would be an irrational way of thinking yes?

Irrational hatred yes?

refusing to see any good in some is simply that, not seeing any good in them ... it doesn't equate to hate at all. I haven't seen a single instance of hate being directed toward them. All I have seen is people pointing out the couples general hypocrisy in the main, that doesn't equate to hate at all ... perhaps debate the substance of peoples opposing opinions rather than intentionally trying to shut them up by calling them haters or racists

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

refusing to see any good in some is simply that, not seeing any good in them ... it doesn't equate to hate at all. I haven't seen a single instance of hate being directed toward them. All I have seen is people pointing out the couples general hypocrisy in the main, that doesn't equate to hate at all ... perhaps debate the substance of peoples opposing opinions rather than intentionally trying to shut them up by calling them haters or racists

Pop yourself onto the comments section of that article and tell me you see no irrational hatred.

[Ammi]

...to be fair, though...the substance was debated in this all being fake news as it were and just an average Monday for the couple...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Pop yourself onto the comments section of that article and tell me you see no irrational hatred.

well, feel free to discuss them on that platform, or make a thread on it here so people can discuss it. You are grouping people who have an opinion here with comments you have read on another platform, and with respect, that's not relevant to this thread. Having said that, the whole thread is a joke as Arista changed the title and context of the thread making it a confusing mess anyway, so we would all be better moving on in this instance

[Ammi]

...’we would all be better moving on’ though, bots can also be interpreted as a shutting down...I choose to move on atm because it was nice to have an early morning sharing of thoughts with Swan...there aren’t that many people awake when I log on or they ignore me or whatever...but that’s that of that for the moment for me and because when ‘ration is found then ration can be discussed quite easily’...but for anyone else...?..that’s their choice to make...

...I might decide to get up on that dance floor again at some point, who knows...but just not for the moment because there is no ‘freshness of thoughts’ added or to add atm...

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

well, feel free to discuss them on that platform, or make a thread on it here so people can discuss it. You are grouping people who have an opinion here with comments you have read on another platform, and with respect, that's not relevant to this thread. Having said that, the whole thread is a joke as Arista changed the title and context of the thread making it a confusing mess anyway, so we would all be better moving on in this instance

It’s hard not to group people together when they share the same opinions. Most of the comments on the article have been posted on TiBB in some shape or form.

It’s where most of the haters get their stories about them in the first place.