[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And in the real world, violent hate crimes against trans people have skyrocketed over the past couple of years, not just mean words on Twitter, actual physical violence purely because of who they are, people like you seem to not acknowledge the serious knock on effect the rise of the anti-trans movement has had on real life trans people just trying to live their lives.

And the idiot with the prosthetic turned out to have nothing to do with being trans, he was a disgruntled man making a point about the different standards between discipline for men and women, but shock horror, the anti-trans folk jumped on it without a care in the world and used it for their own agenda.

Where have you gotten your figures for these hate crimes against trans people? I haven't seen a single article or read a single news story about that.

As for your second point, that actually proves what most of us "terfs" have been saying all along, people will take this loophole and exploit it, I mean that's literally what we've been saying all along. I don't for a second believe for example that these men who have identified as women to get into female prisons and sexually assault women are genuine transwomen, they're men who saw this lovely loophole and exploited it to get easy access to vulnerable women.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Where have you gotten your figures for these hate crimes against trans people? I haven't seen a single article or read a single news story about that.

As for your second point, that actually proves what most of us "terfs" have been saying all along, people will take this loophole and exploit it, I mean that's literally what we've been saying all along. I don't for a second believe for example that these men who have identified as women to get into female prisons and sexually assault women are genuine transwomen, they're men who saw this lovely loophole and exploited it to get easy access to vulnerable women.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/10/0...rnment-report/

Includes the report from the home office that hate crimes against trans people have gone up by over 50%

That incident proves nothing of the sort except the anti-trans movement will make anything negative about trans people, it had literally nothing to do with trans people but the movement chose to make it about them

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And in the real world, violent hate crimes against trans people have skyrocketed over the past couple of years, not just mean words on Twitter, actual physical violence purely because of who they are, people like you seem to not acknowledge the serious knock on effect the rise of the anti-trans movement has had on real life trans people just trying to live their lives.

And the idiot with the prosthetic turned out to have nothing to do with being trans, he was a disgruntled man making a point about the different standards between discipline for men and women, but shock horror, the anti-trans folk jumped on it without a care in the world and used it for their own agenda.

When did I deny physical hate crimes happen?? Please tell me .

The fact that you don't see how damaging that perverted prosthetic breasted bloke is to the trans community ,is actually mind boggling. He found a loophole and took advantage which is extremely worrying,because he put the 'trans' label on himself. Which is what we've been saying is happening,which by the way is another reason 'anti trans ' movement has gone up . Because weirdos like that are trying to ruin the trans & LGBT community all round.

I don't care what BS excuse he was using for his hideous behaviour ,he knew full well that gormless Canada would go along with his antics . He made the children feel uncomfortable and it was very innapropriate . Plus he was mocking women.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

When did I deny physical hate crimes happen?? Please tell me .

The fact that you don't see how damaging that perverted prosthetic breasted bloke is to the trans community ,is actually mind boggling. He found a loophole and took advantage which is extremely worrying,because he put the 'trans' label on himself. Which is what we've been saying is happening,which by the way is another reason 'anti trans ' movement has gone up . Because weirdos like that are trying to ruin the trans & LGBT community all round.

I don't care what BS excuse he was using for his hideous behaviour ,he knew full well that gormless Canada would go along with his antics . He made the children feel uncomfortable and it was very innapropriate . Plus he was mocking women.

Exactly, spot on Goldheart. And there are plenty of trans people who see this too, just have a look on youtube

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And in the real world, violent hate crimes against trans people have skyrocketed over the past couple of years, not just mean words on Twitter, actual physical violence purely because of who they are, people like you seem to not acknowledge the serious knock on effect the rise of the anti-trans movement has had on real life trans people just trying to live their lives.

And the idiot with the prosthetic turned out to have nothing to do with being trans, he was a disgruntled man making a point about the different standards between discipline for men and women, but shock horror, the anti-trans folk jumped on it without a care in the world and used it for their own agenda.

Oh the person weren't Trans?

And on the violence against Trans people rising, that is obviously disgusting and hopefully something that the Government or the Police will try to fix.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Unfortunately there's alot of damaging stuff out there that gets a platform ,which seems to be making the community look bad.

idiots with huge prosthetic knockers calling themselves "trans" . When really it's some freak living out his fetish in Canada in a school of all places .

Or angry activists doxxing JK Rowling's address ,and sending her hate . It's not helping anything.

Oh I know that side of the Trans community exists, and really aren't helping the community be accepted.

Especially the Teacher with the huge Breasts and sexualized outfits.

[Parmy]

Infact, I could probably easily say it's dropped by 30 percent,at least,since those statistics.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Infact, I could probably easily say it's dropped by 30 percent,at least,since those statistics.

Any evidence of that?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Redway

Any evidence of that?

Just my ability to put 2 and 2 together regarding covid and people being out and about.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just my ability to put 2 and 2 together regarding covid and people being out and about.

But would that actually be indicative of a change in attitude?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Redway

But would that actually be indicative of a change in attitude?

Probably not, but with nobody posting the last 2 years statistics we will all just have to guess on that one until they do.So I cant say for sure.What I can say for sure though, is that the percentages will have plummetted since 2019.

[Parmy]

I'm not really interested in america, nor its black on black crime.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm not really interested in america, nor its black on black crime.

That says it all.

[Niamh.]

https://thepostmillennial.com/8000-m...tinue-to-surge

[Nicky91]

it's not just going through a phase though


example a: Bruce Jenner: successful olympic athlete, whom it never felt right to living as a man, who is much happier now living as Caitlyn



or remember the one german singer who is internationally well known (for her music) Kim Petras (yup she too is trans, has been since she was 4 or 5 can't remember correctly but from a very very young age anyway)



even one ends up winning the eurovision song contest, in the 90's for Israel, Dana International (and quite a gorgeous hot woman she is too, i myself as a straight guy, i have a crush at her)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it's not just going through a phase though


example a: Bruce Jenner: successful olympic athlete, whom it never felt right to living as a man, who is much happier now living as Caitlyn



or remember the one german singer who is internationally well known (for her music) Kim Petras (yup she too is trans, has been since she was 4 or 5 can't remember correctly but from a very very young age anyway)



even one ends up winning the eurovision song contest, in the 90's for Israel, Dana International (and quite a gorgeous hot woman she is too, i myself as a straight guy, i have a crush at her)

Maybe read the article through Nicky. Obviously, some people are genuinely dysphoric.

[Redway]

Nicky: yeah, no.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it's not just going through a phase though


example a: Bruce Jenner: successful olympic athlete, whom it never felt right to living as a man, who is much happier now living as Caitlyn



or remember the one german singer who is internationally well known (for her music) Kim Petras (yup she too is trans, has been since she was 4 or 5 can't remember correctly but from a very very young age anyway)



even one ends up winning the eurovision song contest, in the 90's for Israel, Dana International (and quite a gorgeous hot woman she is too, i myself as a straight guy, i have a crush at her)

You're naming people who transitioned as adults though Nicky and the research is specifically talking about children/adolescents. In my experience (of having a teenage child in early high school) it does seem to be correct... my daughter's school is very EDI-minded and supportive of kids discovering themselves, my daughter has had several friends who have experimented with gender (all female-to-male, which is far more common) and in fact at one point more than half of the girls she knew from primary school were identifying as male - I think a pretty clear example of social contagion, but obviously semi-anecdotal. Anyway... after roughly 18 to 24 months, the vast majority have cycled through various descriptors and new names only to settle back on their original natal gender and original name. At this point she has one female-to-male identifying friend and knows 2 or 3 others out of the whole year group (at one point there were 25+) which seems like a "realistic" proportion of the population who have genuinely found something in it, while the rest experimented but ultimately found they'd been most comfortable as they were.

IMO it's pretty clear from that that it's healthy to let kids and adolescents EXPERIMENT with identity - as we always have - but that (being blunt) adults should be loosely supportive but basically stay out of it. The problems arise when an adult social framework is applied to teens and pre-teens which is completely inappropriate. Too much affirmation is as bad as none at all. It forces these kids into a corner and into a decision they're nowhere near ready to make for themselves. The goal, surely, should be normalisation of experimentation - not celebration of it. It's vital to be sure that people are taking action for their own internal sense of self, and not for external validation. I'm hesitant to say "for attention" because "attention-seeking" has such negative connotations. I don't mean it in a negative way. It's perfectly understandable that kids who have felt marginalised or ignored would seek attention and validation from both adults and peers.

[bots]

can't say i've ever fancied any women with a full blown beard

[Gusto Brunt]

I remember being at school and there were boys who didn't like fighting, liked music lessons, and hated football.

They were sometimes called 'sissies'. Now they'd be considered trans.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I remember being at school and there were boys who didn't like fighting, liked music lessons, and hated football.

They were sometimes called 'sissies'. Now they'd be considered trans.

I hated football and I love music! And I certainly didn't like physically fighting.

Thankfully I was built like a brick sh*thouse from a young age so if push came to shove (excuse the pun) I didn't have to worry about being called names .

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

I remember being at school and there were boys who didn't like fighting, liked music lessons, and hated football.

They were sometimes called 'sissies'. Now they'd be considered trans.

No, they wouldn’t be

[The Slim Reaper]

So in a different thread, Oliver said contra points had been cancelled. I had no idea who this person was, so I YT'd them.

Turns out she's a trans woman who makes vids. I watched this vid of hers last night that I think actually provides a perspective that a lot of the forum could do with watching - she points out some of the problems with the trans community - talks about the twitter mob, but also provides a perspective on some of the bigotry issues that I've previously mentioned myself. It's an hour and a half, so prob a bit too long for a lot of folks, but it's there if you want to watch it.

Youtube video

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So in a different thread, Oliver said contra points had been cancelled. I had no idea who this person was, so I YT'd them.



Turns out she's a trans woman who makes vids. I watched this vid of hers last night that I think actually provides a perspective that a lot of the forum could do with watching - she points out some of the problems with the trans community - talks about the twitter mob, but also provides a perspective on some of the bigotry issues that I've previously mentioned myself. It's an hour and a half, so prob a bit too long for a lot of folks, but it's there if you want to watch it.

Youtube video

I'll watch that later, thanks

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So in a different thread, Oliver said contra points had been cancelled. I had no idea who this person was, so I YT'd them.

Turns out she's a trans woman who makes vids. I watched this vid of hers last night that I think actually provides a perspective that a lot of the forum could do with watching - she points out some of the problems with the trans community - talks about the twitter mob, but also provides a perspective on some of the bigotry issues that I've previously mentioned myself. It's an hour and a half, so prob a bit too long for a lot of folks, but it's there if you want to watch it.

Youtube video

Contra

She's also done a video on Cancelling She's been cancelled a few times by the psycho mob, but thankfully always bounces back.