[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The idea that tourism would simply cease completely if we dismantled the active monarchy is mad. "I aint going to see those daft pyramids... there isn't even a real pharaoh living in them!!"

The jaw - dropping Palace of Versaille in France, no Royals present, has an emergency fund page looking for donations from the public to keep it open.

[bots]

at the moment there are only 2 or 3 palaces that living royals actually inhabit. The remaining huge number are funded via trusts or public donations and they are doing perfectly fine. Venues like the tower of london and leeds castle get millions of visitors without a living royal in sight

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

at the moment there are only 2 or 3 palaces that living royals actually inhabit. The remaining huge number are funded via trusts or public donations and they are doing perfectly fine. Venues like the tower of london and leeds castle get millions of visitors without a living royal in sight

People don't have to 'see' the Royals. It isn't unreasonable to suggest that a current, living Monarchy doesn't greatly boost visitor numbers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Brand Finance finds the Monarchy will deliver a Ł958 million economic benefit to the UK
this year

David Haigh, Chairman of Brand Finance, said:

“As King Charles is crowned, he faces the challenging task of adapting the
Monarchy and making it relevant to a new and sceptical audience in a rapidly
changing social and political landscape. Fortunately, there is strong evidence
that the Monarchy continues to deliver a huge benefit to the UK economy.”

https://brandfinance.com/press-relea...ts%20declining.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Brand Finance, estimated that the monarchy’s helped boost the economy with a gross uplift of Ł1.76billion in the year 2021/22.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Brand Finance finds the Monarchy will deliver a Ł958 million economic benefit to the UK this year

Youtube video

They're not in decline though right jet? Right LT? ...right? They're not losing popularity since Elizabeth II died like ol' SB said are they fellas?

... are they? Are the year on year numbers available anywhere guys?

...guys?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Youtube video

They're not in decline though right jet? Right LT? ...right? They're not losing popularity since Elizabeth II died like ol' SB said are they fellas?

... are they? Are the year on year numbers available anywhere guys?

...guys?

The visitors the Monarchy attracted for The Queen’s Platinum jubilee and her funeral, both in 2022 accounted for the gross uplift in that period.

You really sound quite delirious SB. Check your temperature.

[jet]

The Royals are doing just fine.

The Times 2023
Prince William was the most popular member of the British Royal Family, according to a survey conducted among adults in Great Britain in June 2023. Prince William's wife, Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge was the joint-second most popular Royal, along with Princess Anne, with 73 percent of respondents having a positive opinion of those two royals. By contrast, Prince Andrew was by far the least-popular member of the Royal Family with just seven percent having a positive opinion of him.

In the last years of her reign, the Queen was generally viewed in a positive light by the British public, despite some significant swings in opinion for other members of the Royal Family. In particular, Prince Harry, previously once one of the most popular Royals has seen the share of Britons who view him favorably fall from 71 percent in 2019, to just 26 percent by January 2023. The Duchess of Sussex stands at 21%.
The current monarch, King Charles III, has gradually become more popular during the same time period, with 62 percent viewing him positively in June 2023, compared with 58 percent in 2020.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

The Royals are doing just fine.

The Times 2023
Prince William was the most popular member of the British Royal Family, according to a survey conducted among adults in Great Britain in June 2023. Prince William's wife, Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge was the joint-second most popular Royal, along with Princess Anne, with 73 percent of respondents having a positive opinion of those two royals. By contrast, Prince Andrew was by far the least-popular member of the Royal Family with just seven percent having a positive opinion of him.

In the last years of her reign, the Queen was generally viewed in a positive light by the British public, despite some significant swings in opinion for other members of the Royal Family. In particular, Prince Harry, previously once one of the most popular Royals has seen the share of Britons who view him favorably fall from 71 percent in 2019, to just 26 percent by January 2023. The Duchess of Sussex stands at 21%.
The current monarch, King Charles III, has gradually become more popular during the same time period, with 62 percent viewing him positively in June 2023, compared with 58 percent in 2020.

You're going to have to explain to me how an opinion survey of adults in the UK means anything at all in terms of what value the monarchy represents in attracting tourism.

Come on jet you usually at least somewhat engage your brain.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jet

The Royals are doing just fine.

The Times 2023
Prince William was the most popular member of the British Royal Family, according to a survey conducted among adults in Great Britain in June 2023. Prince William's wife, Catherine, the Duchess of Cambridge was the joint-second most popular Royal, along with Princess Anne, with 73 percent of respondents having a positive opinion of those two royals. By contrast, Prince Andrew was by far the least-popular member of the Royal Family with just seven percent having a positive opinion of him.

In the last years of her reign, the Queen was generally viewed in a positive light by the British public, despite some significant swings in opinion for other members of the Royal Family. In particular, Prince Harry, previously once one of the most popular Royals has seen the share of Britons who view him favorably fall from 71 percent in 2019, to just 26 percent by January 2023. The Duchess of Sussex stands at 21%.
The current monarch, King Charles III, has gradually become more popular during the same time period, with 62 percent viewing him positively in June 2023, compared with 58 percent in 2020.

I honestly don't get the appeal of William, he comes across unlikable imo.

And the 7% that have a positive opinion of Andrew need to be put on a watchlist.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

The visitors the Monarchy attracted for The Queen’s Platinum jubilee and her funeral, both in 2022 accounted for the gross uplift in that period.

You really sound quite delirious SB. Check your temperature.

Yes the queen's jubilee and funeral.

Charles' CORONATION was this year jet. Where was the uplift? Absent, because no one likes Charles, they liked The Queen. You're going to have to face reality at some point .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Yes the queen's jubilee and funeral.

Charles' CORONATION was this year jet. Where was the uplift? Absent, because no one likes Charles, they liked The Queen. You're going to have to face reality at some point .

2 big events (involving the wonderful QUEEN) versus 1.
We don’t know if there was no uplift 2023 so far as we only have 2022 to compare it with. Maybe you can find the figures, do some research yourself. I’m not a Charles fan (though I like him well enough and admire the amazing ventures he has set up and been involved with over the years) and of course he isn't as liked as the Queen was, but to say NO - ONE likes him is just plain stupid.
That poll has him at 62% positivity rating. Time will tell if he blows it or not.

[Oliver_W]

Regardless of public opinion or the rights and wrongs of the monarchy, they make more than they cost, so there's no real reason to remove them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

they make more than they cost, so there's no real reason to remove them.

Massive over-simplification; there's no way to accurately quantify either.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Massive over-simplification; there's no way to accurately quantify either.

So there's not a strong argument for abolishing

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So there's not a strong argument for abolishing

i would say there was a very strong argument for a democracy, where the voting public have the ability to choose who they want, but hey, democracy, who needs that eh? when we can have a guy that wants to be a tampon

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So there's not a strong argument for abolishing

There are many strong arguments for abolishing once you realise that a tiny pittance of tourist income doesn't constitute the entire debate.

[Cherie]

abolished to be replaced by what, the GBP cant be trusted to put anyone half decent in as President, the tax payer will still be paying for a president and their staff, and probably the upkeep of all the various houses the royals inhabit ...no thanks

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

There are many strong arguments for abolishing once you realise that a tiny pittance of tourist income doesn't constitute the entire debate.

That's fair, but a lot of the debate seems to consist of people whining about the cost, or hand-wringing that laws need one extra signature at some point.

[bots]

ideally, in a democracy, you want checks and balances, but the constitutional monarchy has never provided that

It's not going to change in my lifetime, but monarchy is on its way out. There is too much instant communication for it to survive

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ideally, in a democracy, you want checks and balances, but the constitutional monarchy has never provided that

It's not going to change in my lifetime, but monarchy is on its way out. There is too much instant communication for it to survive

After the last Tory stint, the idea that the monarchy holds the Westminster government to account in any meaningful sense is laughable.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

After the last Tory stint, the idea that the monarchy holds the Westminster government to account in any meaningful sense is laughable.

I think he means the Lords.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I think he means the Lords.

no, i mean the monarchy. The British monarchy has never provided any chacks and balances in recent times. I think Victoria attempted to clip the governments wings on a couple of occasions, but was never very effective in that regard

[jet]

Why would Anti - Monarchists want the end of these types of initiatives that benefit so many? It seems so selfish and uncaring of others. That's what I don't get.
This is what the Royals DO, their work.

An example.

https://www.princestrustglobal.org/
Background
The Prince’s Trust helps young people who have faced disadvantage and adversity to build a better future for themselves, through employment, education and enterprise. Founded by HM The King in 1976, the charity supports 11 to 30 year-olds who are unemployed or struggling at school. Many are in or leaving care, facing issues such as homelessness, poverty or mental health problems, or they have been in trouble with the law. The Trust helps young people to build skills and confidence and find employment. Over the last five years, three in four young people supported by The Prince’s Trust moved into work, education or training. The charity has helped more than a million young people to date and helps tens of thousands more across the UK each year. Facts and figures The Trust supported more than 46,000 young people during 2020/21. The Trust has helped more than a million young people since it was founded by HM The King in 1976.

Some others:

Early Childhood
https://royalfoundation.com/early-childhood/

The Royal Foundation of The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
https://www.royal.uk/royal-foundation

The Duke of Edinburgh Awards
https://www.royal.uk/duke-edinburghs-award

The working Royals carry out over 3,000 engagements a year in support of their charities.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I think he means the Lords.

Even then they at one point did an OK-ish job at deflecting some of the barmier govt. suggestions but these days they seem to be completely ineffective.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Even then they at one point did an OK-ish job at deflecting some of the barmier govt. suggestions but these days they seem to be completely ineffective.

Hm sure, as far as I know they can't outright say NO, but keep bouncing it back with suggested changes?

A year or two ago there was a debate on the trans stuff, and some of the Ladies were saying things which would probably endanger MPs' lives careers etc.

I believe in accountability and democracy, but it's refreshing to have people who can say what they like without fear.