[Billy]

Originally posted by Antparker

We are on about SEXism not RACEism, the guys are best freinds with Gerry so they aint homophobic

Earlier you said homophobia is a form of discrimination, Laura is just wondering why nicky is getting stick for a form of discrimination when the boys have done the same. (i hope thats what your thinkinh Laura lol)

[Matt]

Originally posted by potentialsuperstar

Hows that? Nicky could have bene going through a relationship problem at the time, or even so she could have just said it to get on the show. At the end of the day, shes been pleasant to the men, and ahs showed no signs that she hates them because they are male

She makes it very clear in that house that she hates men. You even saw Ziggy nominate her tonight because of it.

So in effect, one of the reasons she is up for eviction this week is because she hates men...

[Billy]

Originally posted by Abraxas

You can be sexist and still like a particular person.

Explain that to AntParker then cos "Mikey was in a relationship, so hes not sexist"

[Wasted]

Originally posted by Abraxas

They forgot to invite him! None of them said they didn't invite him because he was gay. Where did you get that from? You seem to be making things up to strengthen your argument.

Also, why are you making a big deal out of that? It was nothing and I thought this was about nicky not the guys?

I think Laura has a point, I was suspicious of that myself and wondered why Gerry wasn't invited. They didn't specify that they brought Jonathan in because he was leaving soon and because of the tragic news he received earlier. But they did specify that they wanted all the men in the Diary Room, and yet left out the only gay man.

Not to mention, Ziggy was there with Brian and Liam and has shown signs of homophobia before, it just makes me more suspicious.

Of course no-one can really know why Gerry wasn't invited to the Diary Room after they three boys had specifically said they wanted all the men in there, I'm only suspicious of why they excluded Gerry but I don't know for sure, neither can anyone else.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Verloren
But how can you say nicky isn't sexist when she admitted she is a man hater and has continually said sexist comments about men in the house? Whether people choose to ignore that because they like nicky is up to them.

I just move my index finger across the keyboard, and it appears like magic. I don't 'choose to ignore' anything - when it's factual. If you'd care to provide examples, then I may just re-evaluate my stance.

[Scarlett.]

Did he ever act sexist in the dairy room or around the hosue

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

I just move my index finger across the keyboard, and it appears like magic. I don't 'choose to ignore' anything - when it's factual. If you'd care to provide examples, then I may just re-evaluate my stance.

Ok she said "All men are vile creatures"

[.x.x.laura.x.x.]

it really makes me laugh how people call her a man hater, when she wanted a relationship with liam, but liam turned on her and started being mean to her by ignoring her etc, and before she went into the house her boyfriend cheated on her with her best friend!, now put yourself in her shoes:

you are a woman who is love with somebody (a man), who then goes and breaks your heart in the cruelest way, wouldnt you go off men for a while after that, or would you be like 'oh well, not all men are like that', sorry but you would hate men after that! it happens with men too, they go out with girls who then cheat on them, then the men say they have 'finished with girls', it happens all the time, now just because its happened to somebody who is on national telly, she is hated, which just isnt fair

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Antparker
Ok she said "All men are vile creatures"

When, and following what events in the house?

[Matt]

Originally posted by Antparker
Did he ever act sexist in the dairy room or around the hosue

Exactly.

[Rory]

The thing about this is, is that Big Brother isn't just "Normal People Living in a House" it has turned into a freakshow ever since BB5, really. So Nicky is a normal girl, yes, but people like freaks.

[Billy]

Originally posted by .x.x.laura.x.x.
it really makes me laugh how people call her a man hater, when she wanted a relationship with liam, but liam turned on her and started being mean to her by ignoring her etc, and before she went into the house her boyfriend cheated on her with her best friend!, now put yourself in her shoes:

you are a woman who is love with somebody (a man), who then goes and breaks your heart in the cruelest way, wouldnt you go off men for a while after that, or would you be like 'oh well, not all men are like that', sorry but you would hate men after that! it happens with men too, they go out with girls who then cheat on them, then the men say they have 'finished with girls', it happens all the time, now just because its happened to somebody who is on national telly, she is hated, which just isnt fair

I agree

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by .x.x.laura.x.x.
it really makes me laugh how people call her a man hater, when she wanted a relationship with liam, but liam turned on her and started being mean to her by ignoring her etc, and before she went into the house her boyfriend cheated on her with her best friend!, now put yourself in her shoes:

you are a woman who is love with somebody (a man), who then goes and breaks your heart in the cruelest way, wouldnt you go off men for a while after that, or would you be like 'oh well, not all men are like that', sorry but you would hate men after that! it happens with men too, they go out with girls who then cheat on them, then the men say they have 'finished with girls', it happens all the time, now just because its happened to somebody who is on national telly, she is hated, which just isnt fair

Men dont like being tarred with the same brush, just because some scumbag cheated on her

[Abraxas]

Ok…

1. Sexism is not about attraction. Nicky can be attracted to liam and STILL be sexist.

2. Forgetting to invite someone into the diary room- should not automatically make you presume he was prejudiced because he is gay.

3. Racism is when you prejudice against someone because of their race (how did that get in here?)

4. Live feed or not, people have formed their opinions and you don’t know if they watch the live feed or not so don’t just assume they don’t watch it.

[Billy]

Sorry but I find it hard to believe Nicky is just gonna come out with All men are vile

Charley - OMG I cant belive ziggy did that
Tracey - Deal with it
Nicky - btw all men are vile

theres obviously gonna be a situation which she said it in

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

When, and following what events in the house?

It would be impossible to rerember the exact time and date, it was when she was bitching with the bitch almighty Charley at the smoking area

[Matt]

Originally posted by potentialsuperstar

1. to be fair, nickys said what shes had to say to peoples faces too.
2. She is grumpy no denying that. SHE IS A PERSON. Not everyone is happy 24/7
3. That shows shes a nice person, trying to protect her with chants.
4. Once again, showing shes nice and caring by trying to warn Chanelle aboud Ziggy.
5. I dont agree when the person on DS said the twins were creeps though

1. Yeah.
2. She's not happy 24/7, she's grumpy 24/7.
3 & 4. Yeah, how very nice.
5. How could anyone think the twins are creeps?

[Verloren]

Funny how people forget things that don't support their argument. I for one do remember nicky saying all men are vile because I am male and found it offensive.

[.x.x.laura.x.x.]

Originally posted by Wasted

I think Laura has a point, I was suspicious of that myself and wondered why Gerry wasn't invited. They didn't specify that they brought Jonathan in because he was leaving soon and because of the tragic news he received earlier. But they did specify that they wanted all the men in the Diary Room, and yet left out the only gay man.

Not to mention, Ziggy was there with Brian and Liam and has shown signs of homophobia before, it just makes me more suspicious.

Of course no-one can really know why Gerry wasn't invited to the Diary Room after they three boys had specifically said they wanted all the men in there, I'm only suspicious of why they excluded Gerry but I don't know for sure, neither can anyone else.

thats my point exactly, their exact words were 'lets get all the men', then they went and got jonothan (who was sitting on the same sofa as gerry!), but they never got gerry, now tell how that isnt homophobic? they said they were going to get 'ALL the men', and they did, but the only man they left out was gay, and that want just coincidence at all, because when liam went out to get jonothan, jonothan was sat on the sofas talking to gerry, they purposely (or maybe just liam) excluded gerry for some reason, and the obvious reason would because he was gay, and they wanted some sort of 'manly get together'. nicky is a saint compared to others.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by Verloren
Funny how people forget things that don't support their argument. I for one do remember nicky saying all men are vile because I am male and found it offensive.

Emily got kicked out for a offensive word
Charley got warned for an offencive word
so..
why not Nicky I too found it quite offensive

[Matt]

Originally posted by Verloren
Funny how people forget things that don't support their argument. I for one do remember nicky saying all men are vile because I am male and found it offensive.

Exactly.

All women are vile.













(DISCLAIMER: I don't actually find women vile.)

[Billy]

Originally posted by Verloren
Funny how people forget things that don't support their argument. I for one do remember nicky saying all men are vile because I am male and found it offensive.

Im male too and dont find it offensive. And i was just lookin over the Launch, what Nicky said was "I Cannot stand men at the moment" which means shes not in a place in her life where she wants men.

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by Antparker
It would be impossible to rerember the exact time and date, it was when she was bitching with the bitch almighty Charley at the smoking area

Right. It happened, but it's impossible to remember when.

[Abraxas]

Originally posted by .x.x.laura.x.x.

thats my point exactly, their exact words were 'lets get all the men', then they went and got jonothan (who was sitting on the same sofa as gerry!), but they never got gerry, now tell how that isnt homophobic? they said they were going to get 'ALL the men', and they did, but the only man they left out was gay, and that want just coincidence at all, because when liam went out to get jonothan, jonothan was sat on the sofas talking to gerry, they purposely (or maybe just liam) excluded gerry for some reason, and the obvious reason would because he was gay, and they wanted some sort of 'manly get together'. nicky is a saint compared to others.

You are reading too much into this. Sometimes it's best to focus on the facts and what has actually been said rather than to speculate about what you think the men where thinking.

If we go on what nicky has said, I think many would find her more offensive. I suppose we will see come friday.

[Scarlett.]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

Right. It happened, but it's impossible to remember when.

its like asking when did Charley say "bloody barstools (ba**ards)