[Redway]

Can this guy get any-more repulsive?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bots

that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid

I also think people forget the scenes of death we were watching on a daily basis during covid. To pretend that the vaccine didn't do a great (not perfect) job is pure revisionism

[Maru]

Originally Posted by bots

when i think back, it was something like sing happy birthday twice while washing your hands, masks everywhere indoors and the one that really annoyed me .... vaccine passports to go to the pub

The thing is, I remember listening to Fauci on this before there was this big thing with the masks and he was like... there's no point, as soon as you put your hands on a mask, it's already contaminated. You'd have to walk around not touching your face and he said I think he said something like 2 hours and it would be no good just about (I mean it makes sense, the material would get saturated and yucky over time)... then he said, don't go buying a ton of masks because the surgeons needed it...

Then I guess he got whispered in the backroom to change his tune or something. After that, I just stopped ****ing listening to the govt and we used our own best judgement. But I remember walking around Walmart and seeing people in 3M Masks/Ventilators... only problem is most of what you would buy off the shelf don't have the correct filter. So they were using a Particulate filter (for like sanding, etc) and I'm like well they'll be OK from dust, but not a highly contagious virus so much...

Edit: The other thing that really annoyed me was seeing all the litter... masks just left everywhere in parking lots. That personally disgusted me

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I also think people forget the scenes of death we were watching on a daily basis during covid. To pretend that the vaccine didn't do a great (not perfect) job is pure revisionism

The Covid jab did help protect people, but it didn't stop it passing it on, and therefore should never have been touted as a necessity for those who were at little risk from Covid. I remember the whole 'get the jab to save granny' even though it would have made no difference if I got the jab or not to my granny. There was huge amounts of propaganda during Covid and I say that as someone who had the vaccine.

The scenes of death were bad of course, but also there was propaganda around that too - never ever have we had a 'death count'. We also watched in real time as those deaths were misrepresented to cause fear.

I Still remember the videos coming out of CHina of people just dropping dead from Covid in the street and how that literally never ever happened anywhere else in the world at any point since.

There was a lot of weirdness around Covid and a lot of lies or manipulation, IMO.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Maru

The thing is, I remember listening to Fauci on this before there was this big thing with the masks and he was like... there's no point, as soon as you put your hands on a mask, it's already contaminated. You'd have to walk around not touching your face and he said I think he said something like 2 hours and it would be no good just about (I mean it makes sense, the material would get saturated and yucky over time)... then he said, don't go buying a ton of masks because the surgeons needed it...

Then I guess he got whispered in the backroom to change his tune or something. After that, I just stopped ****ing listening to the govt and we used our own best judgement. But I remember walking around Walmart and seeing people in 3M Masks/Ventilators... only problem is most of what you would buy off the shelf don't have the correct filter. So they were using a Particulate filter (for like sanding, etc) and I'm like well they'll be OK from dust, but not a highly contagious virus so much...

Edit: The other thing that really annoyed me was seeing all the litter... masks just left everywhere in parking lots. That personally disgusted me

I was sad to see the mental health problem child of Ben Affleck and Lopez be given a platform to rant about Covid masks in 2025

Both their children have been failed they need help not promotion

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The Covid jab did help protect people, but it didn't stop it passing it on, and therefore should never have been touted as a necessity for those who were at little risk from Covid. I remember the whole 'get the jab to save granny' even though it would have made no difference if I got the jab or not to my granny. There was huge amounts of propaganda during Covid and I say that as someone who had the vaccine.

The scenes of death were bad of course, but also there was propaganda around that too - never ever have we had a 'death count'. We also watched in real time as those deaths were misrepresented to cause fear.

I Still remember the videos coming out of CHina of people just dropping dead from Covid in the street and how that literally never ever happened anywhere else in the world at any point since.

There was a lot of weirdness around Covid and a lot of lies or manipulation, IMO.

This is what I mean by misremembering. Nurses were wrapped in trash bags trying to protect themselves because everywhere was on it's arse. Families saying goodbye over tablets, temp hospitals being set up.

You can call the claim of invulnerability, propaganda, and I can sort of get on board with that, but without that vaccine things would have been a lot worse for a lot longer.

Boris bragging about shaking hands with everyone was propaganda based on British exceptionalism, and yet the only thing classed as propaganda around covid, is a vaccine that worked.

It's just misdirection.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is what I mean by misremembering. Nurses were wrapped in trash bags trying to protect themselves because everywhere was on it's arse. Families saying goodbye over tablets, temp hospitals being set up..

I think some of that was needless though, and that’s why I believe it is propaganda. I did end up going down a right horrible rabbit hole during Covid and was pulled into alt right rhetoric, so I will concede looking back I got a lot wrong, but there are some things during Covid I still look extremely suspiciously on. I can’t get out of my head the images of the G4 summit with all the politicians stood socially distanced and then another image with them all mingling closely on the same stage. I can’t ever get over how if those in charge - those with the most information - were not worried then…

Anyway i appreciate I am certainly no expert and not privy to the front line work so I don’t want to labour the points too much. I certainly don’t hold the strong opinions I used to but I am dubious about the whole situation and how it was communicated to say the least.

[Maru]

So I've heard from a few people since that their doctors knew of the risks and were adamant for the mothers to NOT take acetaminophen. I've seen plenty of online accounts, but these are people closer to me who have brought it up on their own (during conversation)...

Also, Daily Caller shows a PDF with email exchange with J&J basically saying they were seeing the evidence stack up. That may not prove to be an absolute link, but I wonder if part of the reason they sold off the Tylenol label from under their umbrella was to avoid self-inflicted damage if the risk did start to add up. That way it became another company's problem. It's not like they "need" it in their portfolio... (even if it's like a spin off company, it can still limit liability and the extent of damage)

SCOOP: Tylenol Maker Privately Admitted Evidence Was Getting ‘Heavy’ For Autism Risk In 2018
https://dailycaller.com/2025/09/26/s...n-autism-risk/

And holy crap is this PDF/Image compressed...



Direct PDF link: https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-con...09/184-185.pdf

The DCNF obtained the company documents from the law firm Keller Postman LLC, which brought a class action lawsuit against Kenvue in the Federal District Court for the Southern District of New York.

A decade before Weinstein’s email, in 2008, Johnson & Johnson began receiving queries from consumers and physicians about a possible link, emails show.

“Not much choice but to consider this a safety signal that needs to be evaluated,” J&J Office of Consumer Medical Safety Lead Andre Mann wrote in 2008 after receiving a letter from a physician with concerns.

Leslie Shur, the head of the division of Johnson & Johnson that monitors the side effects of drugs already on the market, received an alert in 2012 about concerns about acetaminophen and autism from a concerned father, with one employee writing “in case this goes to press.”

Concerns about a link between Tylenol and neurological disorders may have reached the C-suite by 2014, according to another email, which references then-Johnson & Johnson CEO Alex Gorski.

The makers of Tylenol have closely tracked a drumbeat of scientific publications finding an association between taking the blockbuster drug in pregnancy and infancy and autism risk, other company documents show. (RELATE Pregnant Influencers Seemingly Try To Own Trump With Tylenol)

A 2018 internal presentation the company labeled “privileged and confidential” acknowledges that observational studies show a “somewhat consistent” association between prenatal exposure to Tylenol and neurodevelopmental disorders. Another presentation slide acknowledges that larger meta-analyses — reviews summarizing multiple scientific studies — found an association, but notes weaknesses of these studies like confounding variables and subjectivity in measuring autistic traits.

“Johnson & Johnson divested its consumer health business years ago, and all rights and liabilities associated with the sale of its over-the-counter products, including Tylenol (acetaminophen), are owned by Kenvue,” a Johnson & Johnson spokesman said in a statement.

Hearings before the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in the class action suit against Kenvue will begin Oct. 9. Judge Denise Cote granted summary judgement for Kenvue in September 2023, after tossing the scientific testimony from experts for Keller Postman, citing the “great public health implications” of pregnant women not having the drug.

Ashley Keller, lead attorney for the families with autistic children, argues the judge overstepped and that women should be alerted to the risk.

“We saw this nonsense with COVID on all sorts of things that turned out to be untrue. They said these lies were noble lies. Well, we shouldn’t sugar coat things for pregnant moms,” he said to the DCNF.

The judge also responded to the internal records showing that the company knew about studies showing an autism risk by saying that “candid internal discussion […] is positive corporate behavior.”

Whether it's legitimate or not, there's obviously more risk now for class actions/other legal challenges if their own discovery aka internal communications by prominent players are suggesting there is a link... it's not completely out of question and it's enough to get to damages if they are actively hiding any risks to fetus... that's enough to find fault in some jurisdictions in the US.