[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin

Oh yeah, obviously, people fox hunt to HELP animals. It's so obvious *rolls eyes*

Some people do beleive it or not.
Why not go and see for yourself.

[dupin]

Originally posted by Magic

Some people do beleive it or not.
Why not go and see for yourself.

Wouldn't it more helpful to actually treat the foxes as opposed to just killing them, if helping them was the only reason for fox hunting?

[Magic]

Originally posted by dupin

Wouldn't it more helpful to actually treat the foxes as opposed to just killing them, if helping them was the only reason for fox hunting?

That's a good point, but then how would the foxes manage to survive with the amount of food availabe?

[Scarlett.]

I watched a programme called "Meet the Natives" in January, and these people from a tropical island where puzzled why we where chasing a mechanical fox (Quad) and said we should go back to our old way as we are trying to forget our roots

I agree with him

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by Magic

Well if you believe me or not then thats up to you. Those are my reasons for going hunting, wheather you believe it or not. Besides, thats not what we are talking about.

Why did I focus on foxes? Because its a topic we can all relate to, and many people have a reasonable knowlegde on.

Another example is Badgers. Should then be culled, in order to stop the spread of TB?

My evidence - Its simple. If their were more foxes, the food chain would be ruined, epecially in rural area's. Also, refer to my earlier posts, where I talked about how disease has spread in recent years since the hunt has stopped coming to my village.

But you stated several times how foxes need to be ‘culled’ to prevent overpopulation but this is simply not true.

What do you think it was like before people went fox hunting? Foxes everywhere?! lol

Also, every other animal on the planet (including humans!) spreads disease but I don’t see you out killing them!

Since when has that been an excuse to shoot anything anyway? As someone stated earlier, if you really cared that much, maybe you should become a vet!

So basically, I fail to see how you are helping by killing an animal that does not need to be culled for overpopulation reasons and also by focusing on it because it spreads disease when every other animal on the planet spreads disease...

[Tom]

You claim to go not for pleasure but to "help the animals". I don't see how killing an animal is helping it. Also, you are still doing it for pleasure. Although it isn't direct pleasure, you are still getting pleasure from thinking you are helping the animals.

I'd also like to add at this point your contributions such as "I haven't been hunting this season" are not adequate and IMO do not justify what you are doing. You still go out with intentions to kill foxes, albeit not much but you still do. Whether or not you have seen a fox die is also irrelevant. You go out with intentions to kill foxes, or "help" them.

Humans are currently entering a population crisis, in some parts its already a massive problem. Should humans be culled like you want foxes to be culled to control population? I don't see why there is a difference.

[Sunny_01]

If you have a good look around the web at pro-hunting sites you will see Magic that hunting is a sport! not a mechanism to simply look out for the poor foxes!

Also it is interesting to note that only 36% of the uk population are in favour of a ban! the hunt chases foxes, Deer, stoats, hare and mink.

I am not opposed to the chase it is the end that I am opposed to, I think that once an animal goes to ground that should be it, but no they send in the terriers to dig them out so they can continue with the kill.

[Stu]

On an ironic note with all the rubbish in this thread about 'helping' and 'culling' foxes , us humans are natures worst offenders. We cannot establish equilibrium with our environment. We move , consume , rape everything of its resources , and move again.

[bananarama]

Fox hunters always spin the same spin. They do it to protect live stock. Lie one.. They do it to protect against disease. Lie two. They do it to protect the fox against starvation. Lie three.......

The truth is fox hunters do it because they are sadistic enough to be entertained by the bloody death of an animal.
The cruel heart bursting chase and the gore afterwards is how they get their kicks.....All other stated reasons are a pathetic excuse for doing something that is plain evil.....

The fox ban law as it stand is bad law because the government part caved in to pressure groups from the sadistic brigade who enjoy the slaughter.

Killing for food is at least a basic survival in natures happening. Killing for pleasure is pointless. sadistic and its sad that such people have not got better things to do than savage animals for sick enetrtainment....

As for the harm foxes may or may not do. a civilised humane way would be a controlled cull by those trained. ( Not farmers taking pot shots like amatuer shooters on a fair ground shooting range)

The money squandered on sadistic fox hunting could well be spent on doing a humane cull where needed to protect live stock.

As for killing animals because they spread disease. Well don't most animals have some disease or another including humans...Should we cull humans that get deadly infections to protect other humans!!!!. Of course not. Disease is not a reason to kill it is a reason to treat and find a cure.....

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
If you have a good look around the web at pro-hunting sites you will see Magic that hunting is a sport! not a mechanism to simply look out for the poor foxes!

Also it is interesting to note that only 36% of the uk population are in favour of a ban! the hunt chases foxes, Deer, stoats, hare and mink.

I am not opposed to the chase it is the end that I am opposed to, I think that once an animal goes to ground that should be it, but no they send in the terriers to dig them out so they can continue with the kill.

I don't know why you are not opposed to the chase also!!!. Would you find it fun to be chased by a pack of mad dogs until your heart felt like it was bursting and experience the fear of your life. I think not.

The chase is every bit as sadistic and cruel as is the kill itself.....

[spitfire]

Fox hunting is ou dated,vicious,cruel and barbaric.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by bananarama

I don't know why you are not opposed to the chase also!!!. Would you find it fun to be chased by a pack of mad dogs until your heart felt like it was bursting and experience the fear of your life. I think not.

The chase is every bit as sadistic and cruel as is the kill itself.....

Sorry Bananarama, I think I missed the point I was attempting to make, I did earlier mention that you could hunt successfuly with drag scent and I was referring to this being something I am not opposed to I kind of mixed up 2 points I was trying to make, one that they even send dogs to dig them out and the other that they could hunt without chasing animals. If they have to blunder around the countryside doing something then this seems the way forward IMO. I cant believe I put it across that I was in any way pro-hunting of animals because I am not. Hope that clears things up My bad for having a one of those days!!

[Christina]

Originally posted by MarkChap©
It really angers me that there's actually laws for killing animals in such an inhumane way. I don't think fox hunting should take place at all.

Exacally. How on earth can killing a defencless animal be fun. I think its outrageous. Just imagine how those foxes must be feeling. Imagine youre child being chased by dogs horses mens and then being shot for fun. I think its disgusting and vile! Id love to have a go at someone who actually supports it x

[MR.K!]

Originally posted by x-kween-dilemma-x

Exacally. How on earth can killing a defencless animal be fun. I think its outrageous. Just imagine how those foxes must be feeling. Imagine youre child being chased by dogs horses mens and then being shot for fun. I think its disgusting and vile! Id love to have a go at someone who actually supports it x

well said. i think anyone who wants to hunt an inocent animal deserves to be shot and ripped apart by dogs themselfs.. hunters are disgusting people in my eyes !

[Christina]

Originally posted by KRA!G

well said. i think anyone who wants to hunt an inocent animal deserves to be shot and ripped apart by dogs themselfs.. hunters are disgusting people in my eyes !

Thanks. Yeah they really should be ripped apart themselves! x

[Nicky.]

Personally, I think the ban should be banned. - and Fox Hunting allowed
I know that it keeps Fox numbers down and everything, but the people who want to do it should be allowed to

x

[Magic]

Originally posted by KRA!G

well said. i think anyone who wants to hunt an inocent animal deserves to be shot and ripped apart by dogs themselfs.. hunters are disgusting people in my eyes !

I've hunted... So fire up

[Tom]

Originally posted by Magic

I've hunted... So fire up

Well to be fair, you have done the exact same thing to a defenseless fox which has done no harm to you in the first place.

[Stu]

Originally posted by Sky-Tay-Tasha-x
the people who want to do it should be allowed to

x

Why dont you ask the foxes? Can you think of how many other laws and debates that stupid argument can be applied to? Homicide , say?

Originally posted by spitfire
Fox hunting is ou dated,vicious,cruel and barbaric.

Sums it up perfectly.

[Christina]

Originally posted by Magic

I've hunted... So fire up

Ok im not going to have a go at you in any way.. although i dont agree with it .. but what fun did u get out of it ..??

[Nicky.]

Originally posted by Morpheus

Why dont you ask the foxes? Can you think of how many other laws and debates that stupid argument can be applied to? Homicide , say?

What about the foxes prey?
The Sheep, Rabbits etc

Foxes eat them like there a never ending supply.. so surely killing one fox saves a whole other bunch of animals....?

[Stu]

Originally posted by Sky-Tay-Tasha-x

What about the foxes prey?
The Sheep, Rabbits etc

Foxes eat them like there a never ending supply.. so surely killing one fox saves a whole other bunch of animals....?

Its nature for them. Not for us. Thats the difference. We dont need to kill foxes , we are supposed to be a relativly civilised race.

[Christina]

Originally posted by Morpheus

Its nature for them. Not for us. Thats the difference. We dont need to kill foxes , we are supposed to be a relativly civilised race.

Yeah i agree.. and its not only foxes who eat them, humans do too but we dont get shot down and killed for it x

[KawaiiSakura1]

i think people who go fox hunting should be ripped apart by dogs or shot. Since they do that to the poor fox's.

[bigbr0ther]

Originally posted by Spike
Fox hunting is cruel and nasty, there is no need for it at all.

Thank you! I was reading through this thread and was worried no one would say it.