[Fom]

Originally posted by Spike

because they are an inconvenience to an already superior established life.

Thats disgusting... eugh it really annoys me! Life is not ours to play around with! We cant just kill babies or let them live at our decision, these are real babies... babies that are going to develop into people like you and me, your mum, your dad, your best friend. Where would you be if they all got aborted? Life is so precious, and we play about with it as if its something so easy to mess around with!

[Jen]

Originally posted by Annie
Tom will you get over the fact that they are not counted as as a citizen!

A fetus does not have any rights at all as they cannot think!!!

100% Agree.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Tom

No, its just basically covering something over to pretend it never happened.

Real responsibility is dealing with the consequences and not doing a selfish act.

But what is more responsible;
Getting rid of a baby, because you will not be able to give it a good life.
Having the baby, regretting it, it growing up without a loving, stable environment?

[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie

In a few cases men have taken their partner to court to try to prevent her having an abortion. All their cases have failed. Judges have stressed that a man does not have the right either to stop his partner having an abortion or force her to have one.

Then that failure lies within the law, and they both should get a say, not just one side.

Picture yourself as a man whos just found out someone is pregnant. You want to keep it but she doesn't. Why should your say not be anymore valid than hers?

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Annie
Tom will you get over the fact that they are not counted as as a citizen!

A fetus does not have any rights at all as they cannot think!!!

Well if thats the case then why is the there a limit to when you can get an abortion, because at 5 months they are a life. But still at six months you can have an abortion.

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

100% Agree.

Then clearly, both of you need to brush up on your facts.

[Billy]

Originally posted by Tom

Then that failure lies within the law, and they both should get a say, not just one side.

Picture yourself as a man whos just found out someone is pregnant. You want to keep it but she doesn't. Why should your say not be anymore valid than hers?

Because the male isn't the one who HAS to have the baby? The male isn't the one who carries a baby inside him is he?

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom

Then that failure lies within the law, and they both should get a say, not just one side.

Picture yourself as a man whos just found out someone is pregnant. You want to keep it but she doesn't. Why should your say not be anymore valid than hers?

Its the womans body, she can do whatever she pleases with it.

[Annie]

Originally posted by JustJake

Adoption, some people want children and cannot have them, why should there right be taken...

Adoption is not the answer to everything.

You should NEVER be forced to have a baby! NEVER!

"oh but you would be giving it to someone else!"

If a woman does not want to have a baby! They should not have to. End of.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by Tom

Then clearly, both of you need to brush up on your facts.

Read one of supernoodles posts on thefirst page and learn the shocking facts on what a baby in the womb can do.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Billy21

But what is more responsible;
Getting rid of a baby, because you will not be able to give it a good life.
Having the baby, regretting it, it growing up without a loving, stable environment?

If you don't want it that badly then you'll give it away and give someone else the chance to be parents. OK we've already been here in this thread but I think the problem of too many people in the care system lies with the system itself- ie having a too narrow specification for what makes good parents and what doesn't.

[Jake!]

Originally posted by supernoodles!
yep,if a baby is old enough to be born and survive then if aborted it is murder in my eyes.At 5 and 6 months a baby can weigh almost 2lb`s,it can grasp at the umbillical cord,it can dream,hiccup,has functioning oil and sweat glands,can suck its thumb and can feel pain.

[SiaSiaSia]

Originally posted by Tom

Then clearly, both of you need to brush up on your facts.

Clearly they don't

[Billy]

Originally posted by Tom

If you don't want it that badly then you'll give it away and give someone else the chance to be parents. OK we've already been here in this thread but I think the problem of too many people in the care system lies with the system itself- ie having a too narrow specification for what makes good parents and what doesn't.

I've not read the rest of the chance, but there are already 5032423423523.2134 (exagerration) kids in care, many chances for someone else to be a parent.
IMO it is that persons baby, they shouldn't have to put themselves through pregnancy and birth if they don't want to, it just isn't fair on them, and in the long run, it isn't fair on the baby either.

[Annie]

Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

Its the womans body, she can do whatever she pleases with it.

Its also his child. Should he lose it just because she is too selfish? Its basically treating the baby as an object "oh I don't want it so you're not having it either even though you really want it". If she doesn't want it that badly and he does, then why should she take that right away from him, and if she didn't want it then she would just give it to him?

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom


If you don't want it that badly then you'll give it away and give someone else the chance to be parents.

The point of an abortion is because, YOU DONT WANT TO HAVE A BABY...

[Billy]

Originally posted by Tom

Its also his child. Should he lose it just because she is too selfish? Its basically treating the baby as an object "oh I don't want it so you're not having it either even though you really want it". If she doesn't want it that badly and he does, then why should she take that right away from him, and if she didn't want it then she would just give it to him?

Because she has to go through the pain of labour etc etc She has to endure the 9 months of sickness etc, that is why he has no say.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Annie
Men should NEVER be able to force a woman into keeping a baby. Its her body. She would be the one going through all the pain, body changing, emotionally strained etc. Just for you! Eh naw.

Its her body. She can do with it what she wishes.

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom

Its also his child. Should he lose it just because she is too selfish?

Yes he should.
Its her body... not his. End.

[Fom]

Originally posted by Billy21

But what is more responsible;
Getting rid of a baby, because you will not be able to give it a good life.
Having the baby, regretting it, it growing up without a loving, stable environment?

Its called adoption! Let someone else bring the baby up, give someone who can't have kids a chance. Its all just so selfish! Why should this baby suffer because your not ready! Its your own fault!
Be ready! My mum wasn't ready when she had me, my sister wasn't ready when she had my niece. But at least they were brave enough to take on their consequences.

You are all selfish and you need to learn the world doesn't revolve round your life, if you are pregnant then your life is the babies too. If its not what you want its tough... if you are having sex you need to be adult enough to accept these situations. Its only due to people playing about, having sex with who they want too or people having short term relationships that abortion has become so popular.
If you get pregnant... its tough ****! Deal with it, get some courage and do your duties, dont be a wimp and chicken out because you are throwing someone elses life away for the sake of your own selfish needs.

Its about time everyone got a reality check... dont have sex if you cant handle the facts!

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

The point of an abortion is because, YOU DONT WANT TO HAVE A BABY...

So basically killing it because its an inconvenience?

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom

Oh so screw what he wants and screw the value of life, she doesn't want stretch marks or her hormones to change, thats a good enough reason to destroy a life that would be loved by the other parent.

You do realise if men could have children this conversation wouldn't excist... No uterus... no vaild comment.

[Tom]

Originally posted by JDIZZEL

Yes he should.
Its her body... not his. End.

Thats not a good enough reason IMO and is pure selfish.

[Jen]

Originally posted by Tom

So basically killing it because its an inconvenience?

No... aborting because she isn't ready to bring a life into a world where she doesn't want it.