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Kizzy · 18-11-2019, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you dont get to the top by being unambitious

Who said you did?

Kizzy · 18-11-2019, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

A ferocious backlash was growing today against “crazy” plans from Labour to part-nationalise BT and give away its broadband services for free.

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell’s claim that it would cost only £20 billion was ripped apart by BT Group’s chief executive who said the true price tag would be close to £100 billion.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a4288161.html

Not vested interests protecting shareholders and bonuses? ... was not expecting that.

arista · 18-11-2019, 10:34 AM

Corbyn is Now Live
at the CBI

arista · 18-11-2019, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

He only had a few mins to make his pitch and he had to get a snipe in...what a weak and pathetic man boris is, just shows how wholly unsuitable for the role of pm. About as statesman like as Johnny Vegas.

Yes But
some view Labour
as taxing so many Rich
that will leave the UK.
Thus closing down their Business
as they leave.....................................

Livia · 18-11-2019, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes But
some view Labour
as taxing so many Rich
that will leave the UK.
Thus closing down their Business
as they leave.....................................

Right arista. People bang on about shares and the rich. Lots of BT shareholders are ex-workers in retirement. My Mum has BT shares, my parents didn't even own a house when she got them. But **** 'em, the capitalists.

bots · 18-11-2019, 10:48 AM

I remember when labour last tried hiking the tax up for the big earners. They put it up to 98% and they all just moved overseas. The same will happen again. Why stay in a country where you earn 2 pence in every pound you make.

Kizzy · 18-11-2019, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Right arista. People bang on about shares and the rich. Lots of BT shareholders are ex-workers in retirement. My Mum has BT shares, my parents didn't even own a house when she got them. But **** 'em, the capitalists.

Maybe I should clarify ...major shareholders, not the ex workers who were duped with a couple of hundred quids worth as a bribe before a national company was floated on the stock market like BT and the post office.

Kizzy · 18-11-2019, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by arista

Yes But
some view Labour
as taxing so many Rich
that will leave the UK.
Thus closing down their Business
as they leave.....................................

Many businesses will leave regardless... if this is a European base for a company they will be going anyway, if others are here to exploit tax loopholes they can go too. People pay tax relative to their income, business should too, it's not hard :/

Livia · 18-11-2019, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I remember when labour last tried hiking the tax up for the big earners. They put it up to 98% and they all just moved overseas. The same will happen again. Why stay in a country where you earn 2 pence in every pound you make.

Well, at least it'll get rid of a lot of the rich people that people on the left hate with such fervour.

I remember being shocked when Labour introduced tuition fees. Yeah, the Tories raised them... but Labour introduced them.

Kizzy · 18-11-2019, 11:21 AM

Personally I love rich people..who pay their fair share in taxes.
I see tuition fees have come up I'm assuming it's the obligatory whataboutism these conversations generate.
That was new Labour. . This is new old labour, much better.

arista · 18-11-2019, 01:17 PM

Johnson PM
announced at the CBI this morning
that Corporation Tax will not get
the Cut , as that money will go the NHS

arista · 18-11-2019, 01:27 PM

arista · 18-11-2019, 01:29 PM

The LibDem
Leader is now Live at the CBI London.

arista · 18-11-2019, 06:43 PM

Beso · 18-11-2019, 06:47 PM

Hope they ain't expecting a bagel when it's over.

The Slim Reaper · 19-11-2019, 11:29 AM

5 more years, 5 more years

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...got-blame.html

Poor forced to use food banks? They've only got themselves to blame for making bad decisions, says Michael Gove

Education Secretary says families are 'unable to manage their finances'
More than half a million people have turned to food banks, charities say
Labour condemn minister's remarks as 'insulting and out of touch'

Families become so poor they are forced to turn to food banks because of their own ‘decisions’, Michael Gove has claimed.

The Education Secretary argued that people who find themselves unable to buy essentials, including food and school uniforms have themselves to blame for being unable ‘to manage their finances’.

The remarks were condemned by Labour and ‘insulting and out of touch’.

More than half a million people across Britain have turned to food banks to stave off hunger, according to charities.

Ministers have previously argued that a surge in demand has in part been fuelled by jobcentre staff being allowed to refer the unemployed to food banks for help.

Cuts to benefits, frozen or falling wages and rising living costs have been blamed in part for some people struggling to make ends meet.

Mr Gove was challenged over reports that one in four parents are having to borrow to pay for school uniforms and some food banks were distributing uniforms to struggling parents.

He said he had recently visited a food bank in his Surrey Health constituency.

But he suggested that many cash-strapped families have brought their problems on themselves.

He added: ‘I appreciate that there are families who face considerable pressures.

‘Those pressures are often the result of decisions that they have taken which mean they are not best able to manage their finances.

We need to ensure that support is not just financial, and that the right decisions are made.’

Mr Gove was responding to a question from Labour frontbencher Luciana Berger who demanded to know ‘what more can he and his Government do to ensure that no students turn up to school embarrassed because they do not have the right clothes’

Labour seized on the response with Miss Berger saying she was ’appalled’ by Mr Gove’s comments.

The Labour Liverpool MP said: ’People I have met are ashamed to have to turn to food banks.

’I vehemently disagree it is because they have mismanaged their finances.

’This Government has got no answer to the millions of parents that are really struggling to get by.’

Citizens Advice Chief Executive Gillian Guy said: ’It is appalling to suggest the rise of food banks is due to poor financial management.

It’s a smack in the face to families who are working hard but can’t make ends meet, leaving them with no other option but to turn to food banks to feed their families.

’These comments are completely misjudged.’

Chris Johnes, director of Oxfam's UK Poverty Programme, said: 'Thousands are now turning to food banks, but they do not so out of choice, they do so when they have nowhere else to turn.

'The staggering rise in the numbers of people using food banks is down to failings in the benefit system, too many low paid jobs and rising prices that are dragging huge numbers into poverty.'

In May a report by Church Action On Poverty and Oxfam suggested up to half of those seeking help were doing so as a direct result of having benefit payments delayed, reduced or withdrawn.

Other factors behind the increase on those using emergency help - the 'hidden hungry' - include rising food prices, unemployment and energy costs.

But Energy Secretary Ed Davey told MPs that it was 'completely wrong to suggest that there is some sort of statistical link between the benefit reforms we're making and the provision of food banks'.