[arista]

[live feed in London, a pro-palestine protest]


Thank You, Nicky, for posting
a Good Live Link

[arista]

France has Banned these marches
under their Security Home Rules

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a pretty reasonable assumption for those who do attend these protests, chant that chant and rub shoulders with people who glorify violence

Appreciate that many people can see that both sides are wrong but they're not usually the ones at marches

key point

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a pretty reasonable assumption for those who do attend these protests, chant that chant and rub shoulders with people who glorify violence

Appreciate that many people can see that both sides are wrong but they're not usually the ones at marches

Yes but when you point this out in one group and condemn them but remain silent on the other a clear bias is revealed. Where is the counterbalance? Where is it being pointed out that hardcore Zionists are, in this sense, no different to those chanting for Palestine?

... Do we for some reason now believe that hard-line one state pro Israel fundamentalists are forward-thinking?

A zealot is a zealot.

[arista]

Hamas
has produced a terrorist hand held book.
Instructions on how to kill and torture.

CNN HD USA on UK TV
debated it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Yes but when you point this out in one group and condemn them but remain silent on the other a clear bias is revealed. Where is the counterbalance? Where is it being pointed out that hardcore Zionists are, in this sense, no different to those chanting for Palestine?

... Do we for some reason now believe that hard-line one state pro Israel fundamentalists are forward-thinking?

A zealot is a zealot.

I don't see them marching in UK Cities, have you?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't see them marching in UK Cities, have you?

I see them metaphorically "marching" across all of social media and the front page of every MSM rag. It's not substantively different.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I see them metaphorically "marching" across all of social media and the front page of every MSM rag. It's not substantively different.

Even then it's often both-sidesing tbh

[arista]

[Liam-]

It’s amusing that people are still trying to push the ‘Muslims don’t respect your sexuality!!’ thing towards people who want Israel to stop slaughtering innocent Palestinians on a daily basis.

Newsflash, most religions have subsections of people who twist their beliefs into bigotry, a lot of Christian’s would quite happily see lgbt people dead too, yet shockingly, I wouldn’t want them to face genocide either.

It’s all ‘respect other peoples views’ ‘stop pushing your views onto everyone else’ until it comes to Muslim people, then it’s perfectly fine to expect people to hate them and want to see them suffer for some of their views.

[bots]

there is a difference to not agreeing with something for religious reasons and going out and murdering someone for it. I don't know why supposed intelligent people don't see the difference

[Liam-]

I don’t believe in the death penalty for pretty much the same reasons I will never support a government committing genocide against a population of people, killing for revenge is never justified, especially when those doing the killing are claiming to be morally superior to those they are killing.

What Israel is doing to Palestine currently and for the past 75 years is not defence, it is systematic ethnic cleansing on a mass scale, whether the innocent civilians dying would happily see me dead or not, frankly, doesn’t even begin to matter to my opinion on their murders

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tottenham have "told" fans not to bring Israel flags on Monday in case it upsets people who support terrorism

F them Spurs fans i hope you all bring thousands of them

quite a good few at Ibrox today

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Crimson Dynamo]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there is a difference to not agreeing with something for religious reasons and going out and murdering someone for it. I don't know why supposed intelligent people don't see the difference

The line between the two is paper-thin and it's only due to a relatively VERY new social illusion that it appears otherwise -- and a delusion that it's necessarily permanent. The Christian Right is on a clear trajectory to being no different to hard-line Muslims or other religious fundamentalist groups.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

The line between the two is paper-thin and it's only due to a relatively VERY new social illusion that it appears otherwise -- and a delusion that it's necessarily permanent. The Christian Right is on a clear trajectory to being no different to hard-line Muslims or other religious fundamentalist groups.

It's not a paper thin line. Everyone, every day comes across things they dont agree with or don't like and they don't then go on to kill someone for it. Trying to say those that go out and murder are pretty much the same as those that don't, is mind blowing and completely wrong

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's not a paper thin line. Everyone, every day comes across things they dont agree with or don't like and they don't then go on to kill someone for it. Trying to say those that go out and murder are pretty much the same as those that don't, is mind blowing and completely wrong

disturbing does not cover it

[UserSince2005]

What evil animals they are, but I’m not allowed to post in this thread. So please keep this post secret 🙏🏿

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's not a paper thin line. Everyone, every day comes across things they dont agree with or don't like and they don't then go on to kill someone for it. Trying to say those that go out and murder are pretty much the same as those that don't, is mind blowing and completely wrong

I'm saying that you're falling into the trap of believing that recent history (a matter of a handful of generations) represents some great world truth.

Christians were killing people for not adhering to Christianity a few hundred years ago, Christians killing in the name of Christianity is historically just as precedented and normal as Muslims doing so, and you're being extremely naive if you think Christianity is "past that now" and can't slide backwards. It not only can, it demonstrably is doing so.

[edited to add] This is not a defense of killing in the name of Islam, just a kind reminder that there are no "goodies and baddies" when it comes to world religions, especially the Abrahamic ones. They're all absolutely swimming in blood. A handful of generations of [relatively, not entirely] peaceful Christianity doesn't suddenly negate thousands of years of violence, and again (vitally) doesn't mean there aren't still violent elements within Christianity. Growing elements. We ignore them at our peril.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

disturbing does not cover it

In case it hasn't been clear enough: I'm not really interested in your performative nonsense LT, your motivations are crystal clear and your posts are entirely disingenuous, faux opinions cherry-picked to align with whatever stance that day happens to fit best with your pre-existing prejudices. Various media sources either to be seen as gospel, or to be disregarded, based on whether or not you happen to agree with them.

Waste of everyone's time, including your own TBQFH.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I'm saying that you're falling into the trap of believing that recent history (a matter of a handful of generations) represents some great world truth.

Christians were killing people for not adhering to Christianity a few hundred years ago, Christians killing in the name of Christianity is historically just as precedented and normal as Muslims doing so, and you're being extremely naive if you think Christianity is "past that now" and can't slide backwards. It not only can, it demonstrably is doing so.

[edited to add] This is not a defense of killing in the name of Islam, just a kind reminder that there are no "goodies and baddies" when it comes to world religions, especially the Abrahamic ones. They're all absolutely swimming in blood. A handful of generations of [relatively, not entirely] peaceful Christianity doesn't suddenly negate thousands of years of violence, and again (vitally) doesn't mean there aren't still violent elements within Christianity. Growing elements. We ignore them at our peril.

We have for the most part moved on as a civilisation. We understand that it's just chaos if we all go around murdering when someone holds a different opinion. It may be that we will revert as humans to previous behaviours but i hope not. I think that in just about every aspect of life we are on a pendulum and what we are seeing at the moment, in the "civilised" world is the pendulum self correcting because its gone too far in terms of group think. I don't however, think that we will regress as a society that goes around murdering people (to any significant extent) because we differ in opinion

[arista]

Robert Jenrick MP speaking Live
this morning,
on SkyNewsHD and BBC1HD
he is not going to talk about
setting up a migration from Gaza to the UK.

He said they are sending Millions of pounds
to help them.

[Nicky91]

https://www.thelocal.de/20231021/ger...hamas-conflict

German police have recorded more than 1,100 offences in relation to the Israel-Gaza conflict since Hamas launched its deadly attack earlier this month, Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said Friday.

"These are preliminary figures... and investigations are underway everywhere," Faeser told journalists in a press conference at the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) in Wiesbaden.

Hamas militants stormed into Israel from the Gaza Strip on October 7, and killed at least 1,400 people, mostly civilians who were shot, mutilated or burnt to death on the first day of the raid, according to Israeli officials.

More than 4,100 Palestinians, mainly civilians, have been killed across the Gaza Strip in relentless Israeli bombardments in retaliation for the attacks by the Palestinian Islamist militant group, according to the latest toll from the Hamas health ministry in Gaza.

Since Israel began its bombing raids on Gaza, pro-Palestinian protests have erupted across major German cities despite widespread bans.

The recorded offences included "bodily harm... breaches of the peace, incitement to hatred and damage to property", BKA deputy chief Juergen Peter said at the same press conference. In all, a "low three-digit" figure of violent crimes had been recorded, Peter said.

Berlin had become a "hotspot" for offences, he said, with the majority occurring in the capital, where clashes between protesters and police were fiercest.

Police had made "hundreds of provisional arrests" in Berlin, Faeser said, adding that this was "the right response".

"Over 100 police officers have been injured by thrown bottles and fireworks" in the city, Faeser said, adding that "this violence... is in no way acceptable."

In all, 46 gatherings related to the conflict had been prohibited by authorities since October 7, Faeser said. By contrast, 211 pro-Israel events and 129 pro-Palestinian events had taken place in that period, Faeser said.

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honestly when you ban something, everything illegal becomes more inviting for some of these crazy morons, same with a ban on fireworks, illegal fireworks are more fun for most

sad but good that the police are doing their job correctly, and recording everything on file, sad for the police officers who got injured

[Nicky91]

211 pro-israel events i'm liking those numbers anyway, compared to that amount of pro-palestine events


more proof of anti-semitism in Germany is getting less and less