[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

Bea started it all, indirectly, yea, Ive already said that.

I dont blame freddie one bit for attempting to isolate lisa, if this is indeed what he trying to do. She deserves everything she gets in my opinion. However I feel he just doesnt want her starting all her b*llocks up again, just because she has people behind her.

What lies have been made up about David? They sit and talk about everyone all the time, theres nothing else to do.

But don't you understand that Halfwit and his group are in the powerful position now and they've moved in on David. He's the natural target for them now. I can't believe Halfwit publicly questioned him over the nature of his association with Lisa. That was pathetic and uncalled for and could be seen as an intimidating kinda gesture.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by kisywisy

think you're watching e4 +1 like me

Ah yes thats right...some film my lad was watching just finished and BB came on

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


But don't you understand that Halfwit and his group are in the powerful position now and they've moved in on David. He's the natural target for them now. I can't believe Halfwit publicly questioned him over the nature of his association with Lisa. That was pathetic and uncalled for and could be seen as an intimidating kinda gesture.

I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

They are in the powerful position now though, I agree.

But he doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the right thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now

[golden]

Originally posted by kisywisy

think you're watching e4 +1 like me

Ah I'm just E4...sugar I missed him explaining it again...

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by VickyJ


I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

He doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the rught thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now

Actually I see where you are coming from.

It is possible that Freddy is doing what he thinks is noble. And perhaps he is motivated by regret from the times he didn't stick up for her.

However sticking up for someone when they are being mean is not a good thing.

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

He doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the rught thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now

Freddie has good intentions but is acting wrongly/badly, because he's operating through Bea, who has him doing her dirty work and has programmed him with her idiology about people in the BB house.

Bea = Freddie's downfall.

[a_2009]

1. this arguement has been building up for weeks....what has david done to Bea, Freddie or Markus to deserve the things they've said to him. Become friends with Lisa?? For me David's like quite a few of the fella's i've met down in manchester, he's happy to talk to any one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they do something personally offensive to him. The fact he's befriended Lisa having seen the public opinion to me shows he's stoked more than anything to be in the bb house, the guy who's dreamed of being a celebrity and now has a chance for his 15 minutes of fame.

The only time it could be argued that David has been forceful in his opinions was when he first entered the house and they were given the task. He seemed excited by the oppurtunity of being in the house, and the task and was upset that other people weren't immersing themselves in the experience, namely Bea.
For Bea the task was a chance to show she had morals, believed in loyalty and seriously got in the way of her gameplan to align herself with Freddie.....only to unveil her masquarade in the proceeding days.

2. How can Freddie say that David has isolated Bea and Markus, when in turn it is the 3 of them who have bitched and made him feel uncomfortable. Bea talks about friendship....so friendship includes calling someone stupid, not being interested in what they have to say, manipulating a situation, playing the victim and then to accuse the person of bullying you.....

So who is really isolating who??

3. The dramatic irony....
As Freddie decides to confront David about having a gameplan....which seems pretty flawed.....yes befriend Lisa....2 weeks ago when he entered the house...the most unpopular housemate.....is that the best he can come up with....and this guy calls himself intelligent...right! So whilst on his high horse with his superiority complex which seems to send halfwit on a crusade to out others gameplans....he has one himself....slightly hypocritical one may say. All the meanwhile Freddie seems unable to comprehend he's been the victim of Bea's gameplan, and has been played good and proper.

4. Lisa.
So the other housemates cause mischief to relieve boredom, they climb on to the roof, throw things in the pool, stage a sit in, in the diary room....call it boring, call it sensible - Lisa doesn't participate - she does suffer the ramifications of others actions....which were led by Markus and Freddie - the two people she dislikes the most....

Put yourself in her situation and you'd feel a sense of frustration, resentment etc if you suffered due to the actions of people you didn't like.

Now she finds herself up for nomination, because once again someone else has broken the rules. She knows she'd pretty much disliked on the outside (or to quote the views on her...evil, vile) and there's a good chance she's on her way out, yet she didn't receive a majority of votes from the housemates....hardly fair really is it.....yes you may hate her....but if you were up for nomination as a result of rule breaking, than being voted for, it's fair to say most people would feel annoyed.

Linking this to Lisa's involvement in the arguement, i think she acted a, out of loyalty to David', b, out of frustation to being up for the public vote, and c. it was a chance to vent some frustration on markus and halfwit who she's never got on with. She's unable to articulate herself in such heated situations without resorting to raising her voice and throwing insults....not nice, not clever, but Freddie and Markus are well aware of this and freddie in particular just antagonised the situation to get more of a reaction....

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

I dont believe freddie is targetting david. At all.

They are in the powerful position now though, I agree.

But he doesnt see david as a target.

Bea may, freddie doesnt. He thinks hes doing the right thing, sticking up for his friend.

We are going in circles now

Possibly, but he decided to air his views in front of the whole gang. That's an irresponsible thing to do or possibly an intimidation tactic on his part. Either way, it was uncalled for.

[AhmedFan2004]

Well said a_2009.

It's one set of standards for certain people, other set of standards for others.

And Bea has played those men like delusional, brainwashed fools.

David is a good Yorkshire lad making friends with people he gets on with.

Bea is the sly, horrible one, who has no true affection for ANYONE in the house.

[jet]

Halfwit has shown that he is a weak, easily - led person whose morals and common sense is dependent on the reactions of his 'dick. What a man.

Bea was nominated for eviction, for God's sake, and THAT isn't all down to David and Lisa. The little twat hasn't got a clue.

He looked EVIL at the end of that clip.

His "I LOVE IT" I LOVE IT" hahahahahahaha! was positively the creepiest display I have ever seen on ANY BB. *shivers*

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by GypsyGoth

Actually I see where you are coming from.

It is possible that Freddy is doing what he thinks is noble. And perhaps he is motivated by regret from the times he didn't stick up for her.

However sticking up for someone when they are being mean is not a good thing.

Glad people are beginning to see my point.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by setanta


Possibly, but he decided to air his views in front of the whole gang. That's an irresponsible thing to do or possibly an intimidation tactic on his part. Either way, it was uncalled for.

And as i said earlier, we dont know if he planned to do it infront of people, or if the conversation was steered that way, and he decided to just get it out in the open.

[GypsyGoth]

Great post a_2009, very well put.

[setanta]

Originally posted by VickyJ

And as i said earlier, we dont know if he planned to do it infront of people, or if the conversation was steered that way, and he decided to just get it out in the open.

Nah, you just don't air those kinda views without a bit of deliberation. He knew what he was saying there and it wasn't pleasant to hear him say it. Absolutely uncalled for. Can't be questioning people about their friendships like that, and suggest that it's part of some elaborate gameplan. That's insane.

[Vicky.]

a_2009 I agree with SOME of your post, you obviously put a lot of thought into it. Most things except for the way you appeared to make lisa out to be kind of blameless for her tirade...because she was pissed off at being up for eviction, I think it was partly out of loyalty to david, and partly out of her festering hatred of freddie.

And i see jet has posted again...another heap of anti-freddie/pro-lisa nonsense that has not much to do with the conversation, or something worth reading?

Can someone tell me please

[jet]

Originally posted by a_2009
1. this arguement has been building up for weeks....what has david done to Bea, Freddie or Markus to deserve the things they've said to him. Become friends with Lisa?? For me David's like quite a few of the fella's i've met down in manchester, he's happy to talk to any one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they do something personally offensive to him. The fact he's befriended Lisa having seen the public opinion to me shows he's stoked more than anything to be in the bb house, the guy who's dreamed of being a celebrity and now has a chance for his 15 minutes of fame.

The only time it could be argued that David has been forceful in his opinions was when he first entered the house and they were given the task. He seemed excited by the oppurtunity of being in the house, and the task and was upset that other people weren't immersing themselves in the experience, namely Bea.
For Bea the task was a chance to show she had morals, believed in loyalty and seriously got in the way of her gameplan to align herself with Freddie.....only to unveil her masquarade in the proceeding days.

2. How can Freddie say that David has isolated Bea and Markus, when in turn it is the 3 of them who have bitched and made him feel uncomfortable. Bea talks about friendship....so friendship includes calling someone stupid, not being interested in what they have to say, manipulating a situation, playing the victim and then to accuse the person of bullying you.....

So who is really isolating who??

3. The dramatic irony....
As Freddie decides to confront David about having a gameplan....which seems pretty flawed.....yes befriend Lisa....2 weeks ago when he entered the house...the most unpopular housemate.....is that the best he can come up with....and this guy calls himself intelligent...right! So whilst on his high horse with his superiority complex which seems to send halfwit on a crusade to out others gameplans....he has one himself....slightly hypocritical one may say. All the meanwhile Freddie seems unable to comprehend he's been the victim of Bea's gameplan, and has been played good and proper.

4. Lisa.
So the other housemates cause mischief to relieve boredom, they climb on to the roof, throw things in the pool, stage a sit in, in the diary room....call it boring, call it sensible - Lisa doesn't participate - she does suffer the ramifications of others actions....which were led by Markus and Freddie - the two people she dislikes the most....

Put yourself in her situation and you'd feel a sense of frustration, resentment etc if you suffered due to the actions of people you didn't like.

Now she finds herself up for nomination, because once again someone else has broken the rules. She knows she'd pretty much disliked on the outside (or to quote the views on her...evil, vile) and there's a good chance she's on her way out, yet she didn't receive a majority of votes from the housemates....hardly fair really is it.....yes you may hate her....but if you were up for nomination as a result of rule breaking, than being voted for, it's fair to say most people would feel annoyed.

Linking this to Lisa's involvement in the arguement, i think she acted a, out of loyalty to David', b, out of frustation to being up for the public vote, and c. it was a chance to vent some frustration on markus and halfwit who she's never got on with. She's unable to articulate herself in such heated situations without resorting to raising her voice and throwing insults....not nice, not clever, but Freddie and Markus are well aware of this and freddie in particular just antagonised the situation to get more of a reaction....

You have hit the bulls - eye! Wonderful!

[kisywisy]

Well said a_2009!!

[rodrillie]

Originally posted by a_2009
1. this arguement has been building up for weeks....what has david done to Bea, Freddie or Markus to deserve the things they've said to him. Become friends with Lisa?? For me David's like quite a few of the fella's i've met down in manchester, he's happy to talk to any one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they do something personally offensive to him. The fact he's befriended Lisa having seen the public opinion to me shows he's stoked more than anything to be in the bb house, the guy who's dreamed of being a celebrity and now has a chance for his 15 minutes of fame.

The only time it could be argued that David has been forceful in his opinions was when he first entered the house and they were given the task. He seemed excited by the oppurtunity of being in the house, and the task and was upset that other people weren't immersing themselves in the experience, namely Bea.
For Bea the task was a chance to show she had morals, believed in loyalty and seriously got in the way of her gameplan to align herself with Freddie.....only to unveil her masquarade in the proceeding days.

2. How can Freddie say that David has isolated Bea and Markus, when in turn it is the 3 of them who have bitched and made him feel uncomfortable. Bea talks about friendship....so friendship includes calling someone stupid, not being interested in what they have to say, manipulating a situation, playing the victim and then to accuse the person of bullying you.....

So who is really isolating who??

3. The dramatic irony....
As Freddie decides to confront David about having a gameplan....which seems pretty flawed.....yes befriend Lisa....2 weeks ago when he entered the house...the most unpopular housemate.....is that the best he can come up with....and this guy calls himself intelligent...right! So whilst on his high horse with his superiority complex which seems to send halfwit on a crusade to out others gameplans....he has one himself....slightly hypocritical one may say. All the meanwhile Freddie seems unable to comprehend he's been the victim of Bea's gameplan, and has been played good and proper.

4. Lisa.
So the other housemates cause mischief to relieve boredom, they climb on to the roof, throw things in the pool, stage a sit in, in the diary room....call it boring, call it sensible - Lisa doesn't participate - she does suffer the ramifications of others actions....which were led by Markus and Freddie - the two people she dislikes the most....

Put yourself in her situation and you'd feel a sense of frustration, resentment etc if you suffered due to the actions of people you didn't like.

Now she finds herself up for nomination, because once again someone else has broken the rules. She knows she'd pretty much disliked on the outside (or to quote the views on her...evil, vile) and there's a good chance she's on her way out, yet she didn't receive a majority of votes from the housemates....hardly fair really is it.....yes you may hate her....but if you were up for nomination as a result of rule breaking, than being voted for, it's fair to say most people would feel annoyed.

Linking this to Lisa's involvement in the arguement, i think she acted a, out of loyalty to David', b, out of frustation to being up for the public vote, and c. it was a chance to vent some frustration on markus and halfwit who she's never got on with. She's unable to articulate herself in such heated situations without resorting to raising her voice and throwing insults....not nice, not clever, but Freddie and Markus are well aware of this and freddie in particular just antagonised the situation to get more of a reaction....

well done!

[MissKittyFantastico]

a_2009 that was a really well written post and I can see totally where you're coming from.

I actually feel sorry for David as I believe he genuinely likes Lisa, and is somewhat being attacked for that just because Marcus, Freddie and Bea have a vendetta against Lisa, and because Bea has taken an intense dislike to David for no good reason apart from her being a snob.

David is actually a really inoffensive guy imo and is being unfairly treated in the most part, and a lot of it is purely because of who he has chosen to be friends with in the house.

Very unfair.

Freddie is binded by his love for Bea and is losing all sense of objectivity, he may have been sticking up for her, but he is seriously misguided in his loyalty to Bea, and is making himself look bad in the process.

Bea is just an awful person, end of.

[AhmedFan2004]

Such a great post, spot on, have to quote it again!

David is a warm hearted friendly lad,
Bea is a nasty sly manipulator with a facade,
Halfwit = Deluded, Blinded and Played,
Lisa = Hard done by (up for eviction; not due to Noms OR her actions) and loyal to David.

It's transparent, this post is perfect.

Originally posted by a_2009
1. this arguement has been building up for weeks....what has david done to Bea, Freddie or Markus to deserve the things they've said to him. Become friends with Lisa?? For me David's like quite a few of the fella's i've met down in manchester, he's happy to talk to any one, give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they do something personally offensive to him. The fact he's befriended Lisa having seen the public opinion to me shows he's stoked more than anything to be in the bb house, the guy who's dreamed of being a celebrity and now has a chance for his 15 minutes of fame.

The only time it could be argued that David has been forceful in his opinions was when he first entered the house and they were given the task. He seemed excited by the oppurtunity of being in the house, and the task and was upset that other people weren't immersing themselves in the experience, namely Bea.
For Bea the task was a chance to show she had morals, believed in loyalty and seriously got in the way of her gameplan to align herself with Freddie.....only to unveil her masquarade in the proceeding days.

2. How can Freddie say that David has isolated Bea and Markus, when in turn it is the 3 of them who have bitched and made him feel uncomfortable. Bea talks about friendship....so friendship includes calling someone stupid, not being interested in what they have to say, manipulating a situation, playing the victim and then to accuse the person of bullying you.....

So who is really isolating who??

3. The dramatic irony....
As Freddie decides to confront David about having a gameplan....which seems pretty flawed.....yes befriend Lisa....2 weeks ago when he entered the house...the most unpopular housemate.....is that the best he can come up with....and this guy calls himself intelligent...right! So whilst on his high horse with his superiority complex which seems to send halfwit on a crusade to out others gameplans....he has one himself....slightly hypocritical one may say. All the meanwhile Freddie seems unable to comprehend he's been the victim of Bea's gameplan, and has been played good and proper.

4. Lisa.
So the other housemates cause mischief to relieve boredom, they climb on to the roof, throw things in the pool, stage a sit in, in the diary room....call it boring, call it sensible - Lisa doesn't participate - she does suffer the ramifications of others actions....which were led by Markus and Freddie - the two people she dislikes the most....

Put yourself in her situation and you'd feel a sense of frustration, resentment etc if you suffered due to the actions of people you didn't like.

Now she finds herself up for nomination, because once again someone else has broken the rules. She knows she'd pretty much disliked on the outside (or to quote the views on her...evil, vile) and there's a good chance she's on her way out, yet she didn't receive a majority of votes from the housemates....hardly fair really is it.....yes you may hate her....but if you were up for nomination as a result of rule breaking, than being voted for, it's fair to say most people would feel annoyed.

Linking this to Lisa's involvement in the arguement, i think she acted a, out of loyalty to David', b, out of frustation to being up for the public vote, and c. it was a chance to vent some frustration on markus and halfwit who she's never got on with. She's unable to articulate herself in such heated situations without resorting to raising her voice and throwing insults....not nice, not clever, but Freddie and Markus are well aware of this and freddie in particular just antagonised the situation to get more of a reaction....

[golden]

I think I love a_2009

[AhmedFan2004]

Originally posted by golden
I think I love a_2009

It's a great post and explains everything perfectly. He/someone else should put that on digital spy too, so everyone is clear about this issue.

[Vicky.]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Such a great post, spot on, have to quote it again!

David is a warm hearted friendly lad,
Bea is a nasty sly manipulator with a facade,
Halfwit = Deluded, Blinded and Played,
Lisa = Hard done by (up for eviction; not due to Noms OR her actions) and loyal to David.

It's transparent, this post is perfect.

Agree with it all, mostly, except for lisa being hard done by. As i said above, once I could edit..my comp crashed

[jet]

Originally posted by setanta

Nah, you just don't air those kinda views without a bit of deliberation. He knew what he was saying there and it wasn't pleasant to hear him say it. Absolutely uncalled for. Can't be questioning people about their friendships like that, and suggest that it's part of some elaborate gameplan. That's insane.

ABSOLUTELY SPOT ON.

[a_2009]

Originally posted by AhmedFan2004
Well said a_2009.

It's one set of standards for certain people, other set of standards for others.

And Bea has played those men like delusional, brainwashed fools.

David is a good Yorkshire lad making friends with people he gets on with.

Bea is the sly, horrible one, who has no true affection for ANYONE in the house.

No worries.
David's downfall with those 3 seems to be his lack of intellect, so he's not the smartest guy, big deal!! He's not going to be able to hold a discussion on philosophical subjects in the articulate way those 3 can. But I think it's more than obvious he wears his heart on his sleave, he's honest and he's loyal. They are three characteristics that i like in a person.

The dramatic irony that's centred around Bea is quite funny. When people set themselves up as being intellectually superior (maybe go as far as 'know it all's') and patronise others, I do find it amusing to watch their downfall. Maybe i'm slightly cruel, but I despise arrogance.