[fallentree]

Originally posted by h3llb1tch
I have watched BB10 from day 1 and although I have witnessed Lisa and Halfwit arguing, I'm not sure how this falls into the category of Lisa bullying.

Lisa has never liked Halfwit and has made her feelings about him clear. I always thought this was called "honesty" and not "bullying."

Bullying occurs when one party is physically, mentally or emotionally superior (or stronger) than the other.

Halfwit does not strike me as the "victim" type. He is more than capable of defending himself.

Lisa, however, tends to have been (falsely) lumped into the aggressive, intimidating, man-hating lesbian stereotype. If ANYONE else had had the confrontations with Halfwit that she has had, would people be so quick to brand them a bully?


I somehow doubt it. If Lisa had been a gorgeous, straight woman treating Halfwit the way she did, there is no way she would be universally hated.

As to Lisa "controlling" people in the house. What utter nonsense, born more from homophobic ignorance than any sound basis in fact or reason.

If anyone in the house has been bullied it has been David. He has been honest and genuine and has had nothing but untrue, unsubstantiated slander slung against him. Yet he has managed to defend himself calmly and with grace.

Whoever supports Halfwit must have a very warped and twisted mindset. He is the least genuine housemate... constantly banging on about everyone else's gameplan when it is abundantly apparent that his is the biggest gameplan of them all...

i see the lisa fans are getting desparate before that vile bully is released back to her slum

[hennessy]

Originally posted by h3llb1tch

I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Gay people can hate other gay people.
When that hatred is based on personal characteristics, eg. butchness then that is still homophobia.

no that's physiognomy
and I suspect you to be fugly

[hennessy]

would a homophobic gay person avoid mirrors?

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by Ghostface77

no that's physiognomy
and I suspect you to be fugly

You made a good point but then ruin it by name calling.

[h3llb1tch]

Originally posted by Ghostface77
no that's physiognomy
and I suspect you to be fugly

I suspect you to be a halfwit. Most likely a no-wit. But hey, I'm too polite to say it out loud.

[hennessy]

I'm sorry GypsyGoth but she is obviously trolling and I've begun not to care.
It's probably Dennis

[fallentree]

lisa is an animal

[James]

No personal insults, stay on-topic.

[munky]

100% Justified hatred.

The sexuality card is like playing the race card "You don't like her because she is gay". Is that the best defence you can come up with? Why do you not state known facts about Lisa's personality or character that would prove the dislike wrong? Seen any altruistic acts from Lisa? I can't htink of any. In a sinking ship, she would be standing on your shoulders!

I don't like Lisa because she is a vile, manipulative, egocentric, ignorant, aggressive, introverted moron. The fact she is a lesbian has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Get over it. People hate Lisa because she is a troll.

[hennessy]

ok I'm sorry I don't suspect you to be fugly

[The_Long_Run]

Hatred is NEVER justified (with possible exception of crimes against humanity, and questionable even then), and certainly not in the context of BB contestants.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by Ghostface77
I'm sorry GypsyGoth but she is obviously trolling and I've begun not to care.
It's probably Dennis

I understand, but I don't think h3llb1tch is trolling.

[h3llb1tch]

Originally posted by Ghostface77
I'm sorry GypsyGoth but she is obviously trolling and I've begun not to care.
It's probably Dennis

Who the ****** is Dennis?
Do you seriously think only 3 people have differing opinions to your own? And because their opinion is contrary to your hate fueled little rants, that they are trolls and should be ignored.

Grow up.

[virtuoso88]

Originally posted by h3llb1tch

I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Gay people can hate other gay people.
When that hatred is based on personal characteristics, eg. butchness then that is still homophobia.

Not to nitpick, but no, if I was gay and hating Lisa by calling her gay slurs, then that makes me a self-loathing gay. Homophobia is reserved for straight people who loathe gays.

But to get to the root of the point, I hate Lisa for the bully that she is. Calling her an ugly lesbian is a factual observation I am making. My observation. I think she's ugly and obviously a lesbian. Hence, she's an ugly lesbian, as far as I'm concerned. Do not tell me what my observations should be. Dragging the homophobia card then parading it around just shows your arguments in defending her to be weak. Try again.

[The_Long_Run]

Originally posted by munky
100% Justified hatred.

The sexuality card is like playing the race card "You don't like her because she is gay". Is that the best defence you can come up with? Why do you not state known facts about Lisa's personality or character that would prove the dislike wrong? Seen any altruistic acts from Lisa? I can't htink of any. In a sinking ship, she would be standing on your shoulders!

I don't like Lisa because she is a vile, manipulative, egocentric, ignorant, aggressive, introverted moron. The fact she is a lesbian has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Get over it. People hate Lisa because she is a troll.

A). Hatred is NEVER justified (with possible exception of crimes against humanity, and questionable even then), and certainly not in the context of BB contestants

B). Lisa has consistently defended the underdog in the house. She has altruistically come to the defence of those who have difficulty defending themselves. Certain individuals have used their superior intellect to endeavour to cow and browbeat the less gifted individuals. Lisa has highlighted this and challenged it. SHE is not the bully!

[Stardoll]

Originally posted by h3llb1tch

Halfwit has maintained a "hate campaign" against Lisa since their very first argument. Halfwit is a clever guy and has a tendency to patronize everyone around him, Lisa in particular. She is perhaps intimidated by that.

But he seems to be allowed a "free pass" when being vile about her. Which he is, frequently.

I completely disagree. Freddie has suspected that Lisa is plotting against him, and he was completely bang-on correct in making such an assumption. Most of the time he talked of her, he was speaking about how she was banging on about him all of the time and bitching about him. I also don't think Freddie is at all patronising.

I severely doubt Freddie's intending to "intimidate" anyone, and if he is then he must be pretty skilled to do it in such a cool, calm, collected manner. And if Lisa's intimidated by that, then it's obvious where the fault lies.

[sheephater]

I,ve watched every show and most of live feed and from day 1 she hated him because he is a rich toff...nothing more!!.....if you can,t see she is vile,lazy cow then get your glasses on!!!!!

[virtuoso88]

Originally posted by The_Long_Run

A). Hatred is NEVER justified (with possible exception of crimes against humanity, and questionable even then), and certainly not in the context of BB contestants

B). Lisa has consistently defended the underdog in the house. She has altruistically come to the defence of those who have difficulty defending themselves. Certain individuals have used their superior intellect to endeavour to cow and browbeat the less gifted individuals. Lisa has highlighted this and challenged it. SHE is not the bully!

First of all, when people say they hate someone or something, more often than not, what they mean is they dislike that person or thing. So don't get your panties in a twist over semantics when you try to defend your oh-so-precious welfare cheat Lisa.

Secondly, I wouldn't call Sree to be a less gifted individual in the house. He is taking a masteral degree in a UK university. And yet, Lisa felt the need to coddle him and protect him. Do you seriously think in your deluded mind that she was doing it because she was being motherly? Get real! She needed Sree on her team because she wanted to have a huge clan of thugs that will outumber everyone else's and basically run rough-shod over the other housemates and have control over nominations. She is evidently a bully.

[h3llb1tch]

1. Lisa has not bitched WORSE than anyone else in the house. Halfwit has bitched far more, and with greater effect. He has vilified Lisa to all the new housemates and concocted a web of lies about how she is not genuine and how she has back stabbed.

Lisa has been many things but through it all, she has been GENUINE. She is not fake. If she doesn't like you, she will tell you.

Who has she back stabbed?
You can only back stab your friends. I don't remember her betraying any of her friends. Am I wrong?

2. Lisa is not a Jedi Master. She does not possess the ability to control the weak minded. Karly was a smart, strong willed young woman. Nobody controlled or manipulated her into disliking Halfwit. She disliked him because he actually IS a halfwit.

3. Lisa has not plotted or schemed. She has told people that she doesn't like Halfwit and Marcus. She is honest and up front about it. She doesn't pretend to dislike them because "they have a gameplan." She just doesn't like their personalities. In my book, that makes her a GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER. Not a schemer.

On the other hand, Bea has manipulated and schemed since getting into the house. She sooked up to Halfwit. Tried to make Marcus look bad but that backfired because Halfwit defended him. So, she swiftly moved on to making David look bad but that backfired too. David is not a bully and in trying to make him look like one, Bea made herself look bad (which she is.) She also tried to turn against Halfwit but now she is up for eviction, she is sleeping and cuddling up to him again.

I do not deny that Bea is hated.
But if this was a vote to evict, Lisa would definitely go, by a huge margin.

Not because Lisa is the bigger bitch but because she is a butch lesbian. People hate her mainly for that reason because clearly being a bullying, scheming, lying, manipulative (<----- Bea HAS done them all) bitch is not enough alone to get you booted out....

[GypsyGoth]

Originally posted by h3llb1tch
1. Lisa has not bitched WORSE than anyone else in the house. Halfwit has bitched far more, and with greater effect. He has vilified Lisa to all the new housemates and concocted a web of lies about how she is not genuine and how she has back stabbed.

Lisa has been many things but through it all, she has been GENUINE. She is not fake. If she doesn't like you, she will tell you.

Who has she back stabbed?
You can only back stab your friends. I don't remember her betraying any of her friends. Am I wrong?

2. Lisa is not a Jedi Master. She does not possess the ability to control the weak minded. Karly was a smart, strong willed young woman. Nobody controlled or manipulated her into disliking Halfwit. She disliked him because he actually IS a halfwit.

3. Lisa has not plotted or schemed. She has told people that she doesn't like Halfwit and Marcus. She is honest and up front about it. She doesn't pretend to dislike them because "they have a gameplan." She just doesn't like their personalities. In my book, that makes her a GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER. Not a schemer.

On the other hand, Bea has manipulated and schemed since getting into the house. She sooked up to Halfwit. Tried to make Marcus look bad but that backfired because Halfwit defended him. So, she swiftly moved on to making David look bad but that backfired too. David is not a bully and in trying to make him look like one, Bea made herself look bad (which she is.) She also tried to turn against Halfwit but now she is up for eviction, she is sleeping and cuddling up to him again.

I do not deny that Bea is hated.
But if this was a vote to evict, Lisa would definitely go, by a huge margin.

Not because Lisa is the bigger bitch but because she is a butch lesbian. People hate her mainly for that reason because clearly being a bullying, scheming, lying, manipulative (<----- Bea HAS done them all) bitch is not enough alone to get you booted out....

I completely agree that she has played the game very similar to others and hasn't been treated the same.



Another point I'd like to make is that when people claim that they are bringing up her lesbianism as a fact.

However when they don't do that to any other housemate.

No body exclaims; Get Marcus the ugly hetro out!

or

Get Sophie the heterosexual out!


This suggests to me that they are bringing up Lisa's sexuality for other reasons.

[jet]

Originally posted by virtuoso88

It's in BOLD as part of your statement.

Go right ahead, twist and contort yourself defending making such an idiotic generalization about the people who hate Lisa. You just dig deeper your own grave.

What are you droning on about? Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association, means that I think EVERYONE who hates her is homophobic?
Um, no. You seriously need to brush up on your comprehension skills.

[IndigoJo]

I have been on both sides of the BULLY fence! Let me chime in.

I would consider bullying to be when someone gangs up on another person, using their power of persuasion to get others to dislike someone and then treat them meanly in a whole group. THAT is one thing I believe Lisa has done, unintentional or not. Kris, Karly, etc. were VERY rude to Halfwit, mocked him, ignored him, and made him feel pushed away from the main group of HM's.

Also, bullying often focuses on a person's weakness or difference to make feel awkward or ostracized. Halfwit's personality differences and lack of social awareness gave Lisa's "gang" their fodder for their b*tching and bullying.

Bullying can be subtle, it doesn't have to be some great big guy picking on a little kid!

And I have many close lesbian friends, it wouldn't occur to me to single her out because she is a butch gay woman!

[virtuoso88]

Originally posted by jet

What are you droning on about? Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association, means that I think EVERYONE who hates her is homophobic?
Um, no. You seriously need to brush up on your comprehension skills.

Uhm, methinks you protest too much. And it's you who needs remedial classes on reading comprehension and logic. Evidently, you possess neither.

You wrote "Because I said that there is prejudice on this forum against Lisa, and therefore against all homosexuals by association". That, in and of itself, is a fallacious statement. Prejudice against Lisa does not imply prejudice against all homosexuals.

Like I said, you just dig deeper your own grave in your misguided zeal to defend the indefensible skank named Lisa.

[jet]

Originally posted by virtuoso88

Not to nitpick, but no, if I was gay and hating Lisa by calling her gay slurs, then that makes me a self-loathing gay. Homophobia is reserved for straight people who loathe gays.

But to get to the root of the point, I hate Lisa for the bully that she is. Calling her an ugly lesbian is a factual observation I am making. My observation. I think she's ugly and obviously a lesbian. Hence, she's an ugly lesbian, as far as I'm concerned. Do not tell me what my observations should be. Dragging the homophobia card then parading it around just shows your arguments in defending her to be weak. Try again.

So you, and many others call Lisa an 'ugly lesbian'. If you hated Charlie (a gay man) like you do Lisa, what would you call him? Or Bea, as a heterosexual woman?

I'll be interested in your answer.

[AhmedFan2004]

Keep voting jet, Lisa and David need to be saved, Bea evicted!