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Fom · 30-09-2009, 11:04 PM

If I did do it, it would only be for about a month. Try out quorn, get lots of vegetables in... eat lots of cheese :P

Princess · 30-09-2009, 11:06 PM

Ummmm cheese<3. I live on cheese,Quorn and carbs. For a veggie,I actually hardly eat any vegetables! I adore fruit though.

Harry! · 01-10-2009, 06:17 AM

[rquote=2616449&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616387&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.[/rquote]
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.[/rquote]

I said that we are wild and we can eat meat.

Stu · 01-10-2009, 08:19 AM

[rquote=2617034&tid=148326&author=Harry.][rquote=2616449&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616387&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why this thread was created.[/rquote]
This thread was created to pose the question of eating meat. You are posing a different question. You are saying we are wild. This is wrong. We are not. There is no opinion in fact. I have already proved to you how we are not wild. In fact, I cant believe I have to. I am thinking you just have nothing else to argue hence why you made that post, to try and salvage something.[/rquote]

I said that we are wild and we can eat meat.[/rquote]
Yes. I know. And then I gave you all the arguments and evidence to suggest we are not wild. Which we are not. Now your just going in circles. You don't have an argument. We are not wild. The proof is both in front of you and under your fingers, as well as everything I have stated.

Stu · 01-10-2009, 08:20 AM

[rquote=2616578&tid=148326&author=30stone]Why now should we not eat meat?

Either way i can't do it, I drop weight extremely quickly as it is without meat id look terrible wouldnt be able to gain too much size or muscle.

Tuna
Chicken
Mince

Are very important.

Ohhh and even my cat can tell the difference between Quorn and meat.

Quorn has less protein

[/rquote]
Some of us care more about other animals dying than how big our muscles are, I am guessing?

Harry! · 01-10-2009, 03:38 PM

We ARE wild! we are free to roam about and do what ever we please.

We are not locked up into farms and and zoos so therefore we are wild.

InOne · 30-09-2009, 07:20 PM

These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.

Harry! · 30-09-2009, 07:23 PM

No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.

Prole · 23-10-2009, 09:00 AM

I think you'll find it's the lionesses who do the hunting while the males lay around on the Serengeti scratching themselves. Sounds about right...

Humans are onmivores. We're built to eat meat, but we don't have to support cruelty. I eat meat but make sure it's locally produced, sympathetically reared and humanely slaughtered. I never eat cheap, 'factory farmed' products and I don't eat eggs produced in batteries. It costs slightly more, I think eating meat from an animal that has been treated well tastes different. We have freedom of choice and we can choose not to support an industry that promotes suffering.

Scarlett. · 30-09-2009, 07:29 PM

[rquote=2616145&tid=148326&author=InOne]These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.[/rquote]

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite

Princess · 30-09-2009, 07:33 PM

[rquote=2616162&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616145&tid=148326&author=InOne]These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.[/rquote]

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite[/rquote]

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.

Stu · 30-09-2009, 07:34 PM

[rquote=2616152&tid=148326&author=Harry.]No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.[/rquote]
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.

Scarlett. · 30-09-2009, 07:34 PM

[rquote=2616166&tid=148326&author=Princess][rquote=2616162&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616145&tid=148326&author=InOne]These days there is no good argument for eating meat tbh.[/rquote]

Yeah, there is, it tastes good, and its good for you

Not everybody wants that nasty Quorn shite[/rquote]

OI Quorn is delicious! Some of it has to be drowned in ketchup tbh,but most of it is delish.[/rquote]lol I dont like it personally, although I did have some Quorn mince meat in a Chilli Con Carne, I admit, I couldnt tell the difference there

Harry! · 30-09-2009, 07:38 PM

[rquote=2616169&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616152&tid=148326&author=Harry.]No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.[/rquote]
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.[/rquote]

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.

Stu · 30-09-2009, 07:44 PM

[rquote=2616180&tid=148326&author=Harry.][rquote=2616169&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616152&tid=148326&author=Harry.]No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.[/rquote]
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.[/rquote]

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.[/rquote]
Yes, but that has not happened. New word for you : reality. Your using other animals evolving to become smarter than us as a genuine argument? Have you any idea how long evolution of that magnitude would take? Billions of years. And would it suddenly make it right for us to be killed and eaten then if there was something smarter than us? You essentially just created another argument against yourself.

We can still be eaten, therefore we are wild? That's not an argument. Thats a fallacious statement. Your not in any severe risk of being eaten unless you venture outside of the CIVILIZED SOCIETY we have built to PROTECT OURSELVES from such things. Because we are smart. Because we are not wild and instinctual.

Harry! · 30-09-2009, 07:50 PM

[rquote=2616204&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616180&tid=148326&author=Harry.][rquote=2616169&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616152&tid=148326&author=Harry.]No I havn't proven YOUR point. That was only part 1.

Think of a Lion, The males hunt and catch the food, Then the female gets (prepares) it later.

I can imagine other animals prepare food but that was a basic example.[/rquote]
Farmers don't hunt. They farm. Hence the term 'farmer' Sorry to break it to you.

When a lion catches meat and, as you put it, 'prepares' it, it catches the animal with it's teeth. Alive. And they tend not to season it, add chemical preservatives, and package it to sell in Safari Tesco.

Because they are wild. And we are not wild.[/rquote]

Because we have developed techniques to prepare food. We can still be eaten. Therefore we are wild. We can become battery chickens (humans) if was possible that another species evolved to become better then us. New word for you. Evolution.[/rquote]
Yes, but that has not happened. New word for you : reality. Your using other animals evolving to become smarter than us as a genuine argument? Have you any idea how long evolution of that magnitude would take? Billions of years. And would it suddenly make it right for us to be killed and eaten then if there was something smarter than us? You essentially just created another argument against yourself.

We can still be eaten, therefore we are wild? That's not an argument. Thats a fallacious statement. Your not in any severe risk of being eaten unless you venture outside of the CIVILIZED SOCIETY we have built to PROTECT OURSELVES from such things. Because we are smart. Because we are not wild and instinctual. [/rquote]

What about people in Africa? In there contry do they stand greatar risk because of the animals who live there?

You are thinking too much about the UK and what the UK enviroment holds. Of corse no creatures can kill us here but others sure can in other countrys.

Just stop twittering on please about CIVILIZED SOCIETY . As I have said we are wild and if in a different country can be more at danger from attack.

Stu · 30-09-2009, 07:58 PM

There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.

Scarlett. · 30-09-2009, 08:00 PM

[rquote=2616264&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight]There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.[/rquote]

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?

No, thought not

Harry! · 30-09-2009, 08:02 PM

Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.

Stu · 30-09-2009, 08:02 PM

[rquote=2616274&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616264&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight]There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.[/rquote]

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?

No, thought not[/rquote]
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. In fact, it is a damn shame and a tragedy that as a civilized society there is still so much poverty and inequality. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*

Stu · 30-09-2009, 08:02 PM

[rquote=2616277&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.[/rquote]
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.

Scarlett. · 30-09-2009, 08:03 PM

[rquote=2616278&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616274&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616264&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight]There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.[/rquote]

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?

No, thought not[/rquote]
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*[/rquote]

Here is the picture that didnt appear
http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploa...n1_470x350.jpg

They make up a fair chunk of Africa which is a large continent

Harry! · 30-09-2009, 08:04 PM

[rquote=2616283&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616277&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.[/rquote]
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.[/rquote]

But they could. They use techniques in the wild like technology we use. They have given us ideas. We could give them ideas too.

Stu · 30-09-2009, 08:05 PM

[rquote=2616284&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616278&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616274&tid=148326&author=Mr.Corrie][rquote=2616264&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight]There are plenty of tribes still in the world, but civilization exists in Africa, too, Harry. Good god man. Null argument. I am thinking of this from a global perspective. Globally speaking, we are not wild. We are an advanced society. We are not instinctual with approach to everything. We have ego. We can understand our world. We record history and create art.

We. Are. Not. Wild.

If you were wild, YOU would be catching YOUR own food out in THE WILD with your teeth. A farmer would not be growing and breeding it for you.

Do Bears breed Salmon? No. They cant. Because they are wild. And we ... are not wild.[/rquote]

So...these kids can protect themselves from Lions and tigers?

No, thought not[/rquote]
Do they form the majority of the make up of the world we live in?

No. Thought not. Plus I ALREADY alluded to tribal existence.

*sigh*[/rquote]

Here is the picture that didnt appear
http://fundwhat.com/__oneclick_uploa...n1_470x350.jpg

They make up a fair chunk of Africa which is a large continent[/rquote]
I already saw the picture. We all saw it.

They make up a fair chunk of Africa, yes, but small in relation to the rest of the world. They are poor, unfortunately. Victims of there condition. Not sure have you realized this, but it takes money to start a chicken plant.

The argument is totally meaningless.

Stu · 30-09-2009, 08:06 PM

[rquote=2616285&tid=148326&author=Harry.][rquote=2616283&tid=148326&author=ProbeEight][rquote=2616277&tid=148326&author=Harry.]Because we have the technology to do so. We could if we wanted. And bears can not breed fish because they havnt got the technology but they can catch it well.

We could bite animals in the wild , it is possible to do so. But because of laws we can not do so. Therfore we have wild traits.[/rquote]
No, therefore we do NOT have wild traits. We have law. And technology.

Your arguing FOR me at this stage. WILD ANIMALS DO NOT HAVE LAW AND TECHNOLOGY.[/rquote]

But they could. They use techniques in the wild like technology we use. They have given us ideas. We could give them ideas too.[/rquote]
No. Abstract point. Bears are not going to set up a judicial system anytime soon. Nor are they going to build slaughterhouses sometime within the next millenia.

But we have these things. Because we are not wild. Your delving into fantasy at this stage.

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