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rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

or slips over when he takes a penalty that could win the game

well no - I am still smarting at cheat terry henry so I will be supporting no one in the world cup..............but I can see when a player is a good captain and thats all he should be known for - on the field

up to him to sort his personals outwith the game and in the privacy of him own home

Crimson Dynamo · 02-02-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's a difference between crime and personal problems, if someone you didn't know who lived in your town cheated on someone would you bay for their blood and try to get them sacked? No you'd leave them to it. Personal problems should be just that, personal. The who family's gonna suffer because of this and He's definately gonna get the worst, why strip him of a title he's good at and harm our own chances for personal troubles.

Now if he was a criminal that would be different, and I don't really need to go into details as a baboon could see why.

That point about the parents confuses me, are you saying he's to blame for having criminal parents? If it is then it's another ridiculous point, If your parents have made bad choices in life then you should learn from their mistakes and experiences and forge a different path.

JT is the England Captain. Not just some employee. His private life, his family are public and are written about, this is why he commands a large salary. As England captain you have much influence over children, many children who, for example see sport/football as the most important thing in their lives. have a look around at children to see them ape their fave stars. Are you suggesting that they somehow syphon off the bad bits and just copy the good?

he has a unique position of responsibility beyond that of a "employee" his example to children stinks.

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

But Wayne Bridge is hurting right now and wants nothing to do with Terry. He's even considered just abandoning his England career. This could have a huge impact on the English team, especially since Terry is the captain and should lead by example. What example is he setting in this particular moment?

Oh, and Terry wont resign so it's down to Capello now.

Like I said, if this was a fringe player the reaction would be totally different on here.

Wayne has bee struggling with his England career for a while now threatening to retire before, he might not even be in the squad! If ghe wants to cut his nose off to spite his face then sdo be it.

setanta · 02-02-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunza1977

I am not condoning it.......................looking at the bigger picture!

I am not an England fan by the way, but I can see the bigger picture, it's about what he does on the pitch!

How do you know they would not defend Wayne Bridges if roles reversed? How can you say this?

Wayne happily leant JT his house on occasion so JT could get it on with another wannabee so this shows Wayne condoned extra martial affairs!!

I can see it from what you're saying about Terry, being an important part of the England team and crucial to Englands chances. You're bypassing all the sh£te and just talking about his commitment on the football pitch which is not the issue here. Every single player on a squad commits themselves to their team, but sure what kind team unity are you going to have when your captain has been f"£king the mother of one of his teammates children?

As I said before, if Wayne Bridge or Warnock or Agbonlahor had done something like this you'd want them out the door, no questions asked.

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 01:50 PM

Alan Shearar has gone on to say he is the best man for the job, albeit this is a huge feck up but I bet many players in that dressing room want him there,

Wildcat! · 02-02-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

But Wayne Bridge is hurting right now and wants nothing to do with Terry. He's even considered just abandoning his England career. This could have a huge impact on the English team, especially since Terry is the captain and should lead by example. What example is he setting in this particular moment?

Oh, and Terry wont resign so it's down to Capello now.

Like I said, if this was a fringe player the reaction would be totally different on here.

He can then go, and blow it out of his behind!!
This is no huge thing for him. A girl, who once was his girlfriend, has public scandal, with one of my teammates! I dont give a damn! how would that affect the world cup? If it does, then he doesnt belong there.

Tom4784 · 02-02-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

JT is the England Captain. Not just some employee. His private life, his family are public and are written about, this is why he commands a large salary. As England captain you have much influence over children, many children who, for example see sport/football as the most important thing in their lives. have a look around at children to see them ape their fave stars. Are you suggesting that they somehow syphon off the bad bits and just copy the good?

he has a unique position of responsibility beyond that of a "employee" his example to children stinks.

Nobody's a good role model, it's just some celebrities are better at hiding the naughty bits then others. That's how it is. If you're gonna look upto someone do it for their talent or skill in a certain field since you'll only end up disappointed because no one is perfect. He's human at the end of the day and his family problems are not something we should be involving ourselves with. Regardless of the tabloids delusions of grandieur about themselves he is a footballer and all most people care about is the performance of the team and he is a vital part of the team.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-02-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

He can then go, and blow it out of his behind!!
This is no huge thing for him. A girl, who once was his girlfriend, has public scandal, with one of my teammates! I dont give a damn! how would that affect the world cup? If it does, then he doesnt belong there.

How do you feel about him, in 2001, being fined two weeks’ wages after being accused of drunkenly mocking American tourists at Heathrow in the wake of the 9/11 attacks?

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 01:56 PM

it happens every day

best mates run off with best mates partners, it's because these guys are in the public domain they are supposed ot be saints - more full them for causing it but come on - look at the footy players that get sent behind bars, the come out to plat again for top teams,

setanta · 02-02-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

He can then go, and blow it out of his behind!!
This is no huge thing for him. A girl, who once was his girlfriend, has public scandal, with one of my teammates! I dont give a damn! how would that affect the world cup? If it does, then he doesnt belong there.

Terry was one of his best friends for years. She is the mother of Bridge's child. They've only split up recently. They both attended Terry's wedding for feck sake. We have no idea how long this affair has being going on for. Do I need to go on here?

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How do you feel about him, in 2001, being fined two weeks’ wages after being accused of drunkenly mocking American tourists at Heathrow in the wake of the 9/11 attacks?

no one is saying the guy is not an idiot - he is trailer trash for sure however is is needed for England and Chelsea as he is a tremendous player -

setanta · 02-02-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunza1977

it happens every day

best mates run off with best mates partners, it's because these guys are in the public domain they are supposed ot be saints - more full them for causing it but come on - look at the footy players that get sent behind bars, the come out to plat again for top teams,

You don't get it here. They play for England together. He's the England captain. They were really good friends and hung out together with their girlfriends.

Vicky. · 02-02-2010, 01:57 PM

The difference between it being Terry and Joe public though, in his job, he IS, whether he likes it or not, a rolemodel to others. He should behave accordingly.

Dont see any reason for him to be sacked though

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Terry was one of his best friends for years. She is the mother of Bridge's child. They've only split up recently. They both attended Terry's wedding for feck sake. We have no idea how long this affair has being going on for. Do I need to go on here?

Do you not know anyone who has had affairs? Who has hurt families?

People do it every day

rapunza1977 · 02-02-2010, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

You don't get it here. They play for England together. He's the England captain. They were really good friends and hung out together with their girlfriends.

I hear you - but its still no argument for him to be sacked from captain

Angus · 02-02-2010, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunza1977

?? how can you say that....................people have affairs - one nights stands behind partners back all the time - condoning nothing, do they get sacked? No - they have to deal with it..........which these guys will do ..... JT should not be asked to leave his position because of it.........they did not sack Sven when he was playing away..it's ludicrous and a complete media frenzy, as I said before, I bet Toni Poole will not leave JT

John Terry is not just one of the team, he is the Captain, the highest level of achievement in English football, awarded as a great honour to the player deemed the most worthy of ALL the players in England. He is a figurehead, and a role model for aspiring career footballers, and it is his responsibility NOT to participate in any behaviour that brings the position of Captain, the game of football, his country or his team into disrepute. When he was found out he scurried off to his lawyers to invoke a super injunction to prevent the press from printing the stories. Thankfully, for once, the Courts threw out his application BECAUSE the stories were true, and there was no basis to withhold them from the public. Any misfortune that befalls himself personally or the England team because of the fall out is completely due to his own actions.

Terry may be a great footballer, but he does not have the strength of character and scruples to be a worthy holder of the captaincy. Capello can deploy him on the field where, perhaps, he can redeem himself by doing what he is being paid megabucks to do and take England to victory in the World cup, but it should not be as Captain. That boat should well and truly have sailed for Terry.

setanta · 02-02-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rapunza1977

Do you not know anyone who has had affairs? Who has hurt families?

People do it every day

He's the captain of England and as such has a different role to play, a role that he has been very quick to promote - the one of the clean cut, honest family man.

Yes, and when people do it everyday they face the consequences, as Terry should in both his professional and personal life because he was the idiot who mixed the two of them up.

Angus · 02-02-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VickyJ

The difference between it being Terry and Joe public though, in his job, he IS, whether he likes it or not, a rolemodel to others. He should behave accordingly.

Dont see any reason for him to be sacked though

Am not suggesting he be sacked, I am saying he should be stripped of the captaincy.

informer · 02-02-2010, 02:03 PM

he is a total low class peasant and an overgrown chav...his parents have been involved in drug deals and shoplifting and he was also in the papers for 'roasting' a football groupie in ibiza or somewhere

plus he is from barking in essex , the BNP stronghold...and even resembles a thug

when he speaks its embarassing with that thick as **** accent

he is just a big fat lump who tackles in defence and likes to think of himself as the 'guvnor' or whatever..

a total waste of spunk in terms of a human being

and the fact he was willing to shag a close friends missus is shocking...shows he is nothing more than an animal

Alf · 02-02-2010, 02:06 PM

my mum had an affair when i was a kid, which led to my parents splitting up, growing up i still saw both my parents as role models and have huge respect for them both.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-02-2010, 02:06 PM

Ultimately he will not win the world cup with England as he has not the moral fibre/balls/courage to do it.

haha

dreams

shattered

again

informer · 02-02-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ultimately he will not win the world cup with England as he has not the moral fibre/balls/courage to do it.

haha

dreams

shattered

again

he should be on a building site somewhere if he wasnt a footballer

Crimson Dynamo · 02-02-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by informer

he should be on a building site somewhere if he wasnt a footballer

he would be with the EDL

Angus · 02-02-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

He's the captain of England and as such has a different role to play, a role that he has been very quick to promote - the one of the clean cut, honest family man.

Yes, and when people do it everyday they face the consequences, as Terry should in both his professional and personal life because he was the idiot who mixed the two of them up.

I fear some of the posters on this thread will never GET it. Where have I said he should be thrown out of the team? Let him play by all means, but not as CAPTAIN. That position should be reserved from someone worthy to take it on.