[Angus]

Originally Posted by luminoussun

Just one thing...nathan fancied racheal and is with her now...so why did'nt he ever stand up to crab eyes in the house every time he attacked her?

Why didn't any of the others? Simple really, they had all only just met, no-one had a clue about the other HMs, and Rachael was literally only there one week. Why should Nathan, in particular, have leapt to her defence at that point - they were virtual strangers.

I am absolutely gobsmacked that JJ1 has not had his head seriously felt before, but then I doubt he would DARE to come out with some of the sh*t he does to people in the outside world where he doesn't have the protection of the BB house.

I guarantee he'll have more than just Nathan to contend with once he's out - karma sure is a bitch.

[luminoussun]

Originally Posted by angus58

Why didn't any of the others? Simple really, they had all only just met, no-one had a clue about the other HMs, and Rachael was literally only there one week. Why should Nathan, in particular, have leapt to her defence at that point - they were virtual strangers.

I am absolutely gobsmacked that JJ1 has not had his head seriously felt before, but then I doubt he would DARE to come out with some of the sh*t he does to people in the outside world where he doesn't have the protection of the BB house.

I guarantee he'll have more than just Nathan to contend with once he's out - karma sure is a bitch.

I would not need to know a woman at all to defend her being bullied by some loud mouthed twat...it's called being a gentleman...maybe he would of stayed if he had defended her ...instead of popping at shabby

[Julie10]

Originally Posted by angus58

Why didn't any of the others? Simple really, they had all only just met, no-one had a clue about the other HMs, and Rachael was literally only there one week. Why should Nathan, in particular, have leapt to her defence at that point - they were virtual strangers.

I am absolutely gobsmacked that JJ1 has not had his head seriously felt before, but then I doubt he would DARE to come out with some of the sh*t he does to people in the outside world where he doesn't have the protection of the BB house.

I guarantee he'll have more than just Nathan to contend with once he's out - karma sure is a bitch.

Nathan, Govan, Corin and Josie all told him he was wrong behaving the way he does towards Rachael.

[sosadbbend]

BB are completely out of order for letting that happen, intimidation at the least. Nathan's (the caveman) actions are obviously no surprise, what about Rachael in all this. She knew Nathan was watching and was up for the argument.

[Shardlake]

Originally Posted by sosadbbend

BB are completely out of order for letting that happen, intimidation at the least. Nathan's (the caveman) actions are obviously no surprise, what about Rachael in all this. She knew Nathan was watching and was up for the argument.

Nobody made John James act the way he did except John James

He could have been nice to her even pretended to be civil, but he just chose to rip bits out of her and make her feel like **** when there was no need for it

If anything it just showed John James up for what he really is, let that be a warning to any women out there who might bump into him in a club over the next few months

[sosadbbend]

Originally Posted by Shardlake

Nobody made John James act the way he did except John James

He could have been nice to her even pretended to be civil, but he just chose to rip bits out of her and make her feel like **** when there was no need for it

If anything it just showed John James up for what he really is, let that be a warning to any women out there who might bump into him in a club over the next few months

I think she gave as good as she got! She just wanted the airtime.

[Julesuk]

Originally Posted by sosadbbend

BB are completely out of order for letting that happen, intimidation at the least. Nathan's (the caveman) actions are obviously no surprise, what about Rachael in all this. She knew Nathan was watching and was up for the argument.

She knew exactly what she was doing and I watched most of it and John went in there with the purpose of trying to be nice, she popped at him straight away and the looks she was giving him, she was giving it the large one knowing Nathan was watching, shame on the producers I think they have targeted John throughout this BB with the tasks 90% of them have been negative towards him but yesterday was a right hatchet job. By the way Rachel looked an absolute mess.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Julesuk

She knew exactly what she was doing and I watched most of it and John went in there with the purpose of trying to be nice, she popped at him straight away and the looks she was giving him, she was giving it the large one knowing Nathan was watching, shame on the producers I think they have targeted John throughout this BB with the tasks 90% of them have been negative towards him but yesterday was a right hatchet job. By the way Rachel looked an absolute mess.

I watched it too, and thought they were both equal on how badly they treated and niggled each other. Even John himself said on reflection, that he didn't recall who kicked off the nastiness. They BOTH had attitudes and resentments toward each other, regardless of who was behind the mirror.

[luminoussun]

look he is going on friday why kiss his ass now...bb are just getting every ounce of tv out of crab eyes....he has given them a headache this year and the way he speaks to bb is disrespectful

[psychtracker]

To be fair, i think he was only partly stitched up by BB. He did actually have the choice of receiving a massage from Rachael1 or giving a massage to Rachel2. It was also totally unsurprising that Rachael would be involved in a John task, given he's spoken about her on a weekly basis in the 8 weeks or so, since she'd left. The argument was sarcasm on both sides, and i think Rachael handled herself ok. The fact that Nathan was behind the mirror, makes no real difference, because if he wasn't there, he would have been told about it - in detail by Rachael anyways, or seen the footage. It should also be mentioned that, even though Rachael wasn't Nathans GF at the time, i don't recall him ever stepping in - to defend Rachael - over her and John's disagreements. Same again with Corin, when John was taking the piss out of her, i don't recall Nathan ever stepping in and having words to John about his behaviour, in the past. Where was Nathan then?

[Patricia4]

He's making excuses he's **** scared of a lot of stuff he know's he's going to get some **** when he gets out and he wont be able to cope with it.While in the house he can mouth all he wants but when he get's out its a differnt ball game.
Get the ****** back where you come from.

[walter]

i'm confused. you on about that annoying rachael and nathan that were on bb? whats happened.

[walter]

are rachael and nathan together?

[dannythehoofe]

To be fair, this whole argument is pointless. If Nathan really did say what you claim it hasn't done any harm to John James, seeing as he is still in the house (Surprise, Surprise)

He is so desperate to win that no fool from Manchester is going to make him quit, especially after the amount of times he has claimed he wanted to walk...

But I ask this... Why do you find it appalling for Nathan to allegedly make John James feel so worried that he must leave the show but totally acceptable for John James to tell Corin that she can either wear no makeup or leave?

Double standards? I think so... And I am not having a go at one person in particular, just anyone who is a fan of JJ1. Because, once again, it is only bad when it happens to John James...

[rosieb]

Ah John James feel so sorry for him the poor little bitty scaredy cat!!!! John James intimadates, bullies, argues and ridicules all those he takes a dislike to on sight without any reason and without even getting to know them - mainly women - he gets one whiff of Nathan/public not liking his attitude and he runs scared screaming the "BB stitched me up" theory. As with all bullies when confronted by someone who doesn't tolerate their behaviour they run a mile with their tails between their legs and proper order too its about time he was made to account for his behaviour ............. so run John James run - you pathetic person - no one gives a damn!!

[30stone]

Funny nathan is shouting his mouth now being the big man, yet in there barely said a word when john was arguing with people?

Thing is it happened ages ago whats the point in making a deal of it.. though it would be stupid to think nathan would do anything, he done anything with the camera on and he'd be done..

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by 30stone

Funny nathan is shouting his mouth now being the big man, yet in there barely said a word when john was arguing with people?

Thing is it happened ages ago whats the point in making a deal of it.. though it would be stupid to think nathan would do anything, he done anything with the camera on and he'd be done..

Nathan is simply sticking up for his girlfriend something MOST MEN would do?Nathan is probably just annoyed and people are making way too much of it,but it does go to show,Crabby will take on the girls,but will run away from the men.

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Nathan is simply sticking up for his girlfriend something MOST MEN would do?Nathan is probably just annoyed and people are making way too much of it,but it does go to show,Crabby will take on the girls,but will run away from the men.

Noticed Nathan didnt say anything to JJ in the house though!! But suppose he has to make some money somewhere after being kicked out early days.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Sorry but can we all drop the John James hate for one second while we have a discussion about this and not be biased about it for a sec?

Those producers literally threw poor John James in at the deep end.

They made Rachael give John James a massage while her boyfriend watches from behind a mirror and John said he heard a bang on the wall obviously hungry Nathan banging the camera run wall like a zombie in Dead Set.

John James and Rachael had a slight row while Nathan watched, Nathan then updated his status straight after this with 'Is hungry to kick some Aussie arse' or something similar to that, he then told Corin something after very similar to this and this afternoon informed Ben that when Nathan sees John James, he won't be able to walk.

John James is now very frightened and wants to walk out because he's afraid of what will happen on his eviction night with Nathan is there.

John James is literally packing his bags now, the producers have frightened this guy.

How the ****** do you let someone get away with threatening this guy on your TV Show?

Again even if I weren't a John fan I'd say this, this is very upsetting to watch a man who has flew from the other side of the world being scared out of the house.

It's disgusting.

I hope to get some comments back from people who can stop being biased towards who they dis/like for a few minutes.

He has you well and truly fooled,IF he hadn't have said such vile things he would not be scared,the words came out of HIS vile mouth,no one elses,so why blame BB,would you be happy for him to say that about a female member of YOUR family?

[Livia]

Wht a load of testosterone-soaked, posturing bullsh!t. As if anyone's going to allow Nathan to touch John James. And if he does, he will probably have a lawsuit on his hands. It's a mountain built out of a molehill.

John James is my least favourite housemate... but I have to say that I think this is a vain attempt by Nathan to look like a hard man and also to draw some attention to himself before we all start saying "Nathan? Nathan who?"

[Sunday]

Originally Posted by Livia

Wht a load of testosterone-soaked, posturing bullsh!t. As if anyone's going to allow Nathan to touch John James. And if he does, he will probably have a lawsuit on his hands. It's a mountain built out of a molehill.

John James is my least favourite housemate... but I have to say that I think this is a vain attempt by Nathan to look like a hard man and also to draw some attention to himself before we all start saying "Nathan? Nathan who?"

I agree with what you said about Nathan, he is probably more angry about being kicked out than being mad at JJ. Publicity stuff on his part.

[crocs]

Immature behaviour on all three accounts: John James, Rachael and Nathan.

I thought Rachael was still hurt by John James' earlier behaviour and wanted to understand it but didn't. It was immature of her to say "well, I've got a boyfriend now..."

John James is just plain wrong and he should also be able to stand behind his words and principles even when he thinks someone has said they want to kick his arse.

As for Nathan, it's immature of him to say he's going to kick his arse. They are free to disagree but resorting to violence is no answer. Enough of emotional damage has been done already.

[Parmy]

Nathan has a face like melted leather...

[Jack_]

To be honest John's got nothing to worry about anyway because he can just report Nathan for threatening behaviour.

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Patrick

He doesn't have Twitter, Facebook he uses.

Nathan does have Twitter...

Originally Posted by Sunday

Noticed Nathan didnt say anything to JJ in the house though!! But suppose he has to make some money somewhere after being kicked out early days.

He did actually...

John James deserves all he gets & more... About time he realised that he cannot go through life bullying people as it will eventually come back on yourself...