[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Sarah.

No, I'm 19!

there's a serious danger he'll fancy you now

warning

[cub]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I refer you to my other post.



It wasn't that she should know everything, but she knows extremely little outside of Girls Aloud's genre of music.

Not so. I think she lead the panel towards a deeper understanding and appreciation of urban pop. That's why Simon was wittering on about 'the future' in regard to Cher Lloyd (and actually he got that wrong - he should have said 'the present') so he could keep up with Cheryl.

You have to have someone with a current knowledge of contemporary pop - not be a pop historian (and if you want that, you have Louis, and to a lesser extent, Barlow).

[Scarlett.]

This years X Factor is gonna be super crap

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

how do you know? Anyways all judges have their musical preferences. Just because youre not into country doesnt mean you can't still choose a song that suits their voice. Sometimes its good to take them outside the box.

Your logic applies to all judges on all talent shows. They could all be considered unsuitable to mentor or judge certain genres of music. But its not always relevant.

Musical preferences? Yes, but they at least know what they're talking about or dealing with when it comes to artists that differ from their own likes.

And taking them outside the box? I assume you mean make the artist something that the judge likes better, making them something completely different to who they are. Yet another manufactured popstar.

And how do I know?
Uh, because Cheryl's been on X Factor for the past three years and proven it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by cub

Not so. I think she lead the panel towards a deeper understanding and appreciation of urban pop. That's why Simon was wittering on about 'the future' in regard to Cher Lloyd (and actually he got that wrong - he should have said 'the present') so he could keep up with Cheryl.

You have to have someone with a current knowledge of contemporary pop - not be a pop historian (and if you want that, you have Louis, and to a lesser extent, Barlow).

I'm not talking about someone with historic knowledge, but a broader knowledge when it comes to classic influences, genres etc.

Proof of this is the fact Cheryl is never given any acts outside of her age bracket and pop capability.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Musical preferences? Yes, but they at least know what they're talking about or dealing with when it comes to artists that differ from their own likes.

oh do they now? Funny I don't see any proof of that. Or at least no more proof than what I see with Cheryl.

all the judges choose inappropriate songs from time to time. ALL of them do.

[reece(:]

we need sharon osbourne back on, not blooming n dubz

[Shaun]

I'm sorry but the Elton John track in question (Crocodile Rock) is hardly an obscure one. The only musical insight Cheryl can offer is a producer's phone number.

[james130]

Worst news ever.
End of X Factor in my opinion.

[Toxic]

The X Factor UK has been completely turned upside down! who would have thought that all judges minus Louis would not be here for the next series!? I hope Gary Barlow is good

[Marsh.]

They should just put Take That on the panel. lol

And the fifth member can have Sinitta's role. Giant leaves and all.

[cub]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm not talking about someone with historic knowledge, but a broader knowledge when it comes to classic influences, genres etc.

Proof of this is the fact Cheryl is never given any acts outside of her age bracket and pop capability.

No, no, no. That's why you have a TEAM of judges, each of whom brings some experience/expertise to the table. It's not important that each judge has a broad insight, as I've said. It's like saying Louis should know all about hip-hop acts and current chart trends. You need a balance. That comes with individual approaches.

It's going to look odd to have Barlow, Louis AND Osbourne (all in their 40s and 50s) and just ONE young judge judging a pop act for the charts TODAY. Not who knows what chart position Crocosh*te Rock got to.

[Doogle]

I hated Cheryl but she was good because she was in a girl group for so long and went through the process herself once, plus she knew what would be good in the charts and stuff. Tulisa, I don't know, it's too early to say I guess. But they do need a younger judge.

[Zippy]

well we're all gonna tune in and watch at first regardless.

Everybody was saying American idol was finished. But then JLo and Tyler proved popular and gave the show new energy and enthusiasm. Maybe that will happen with XF here.

As much as I think Tulisa isn't a big enough name I do think she has a personality and that could prove far more important than being a big name.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

well we're all gonna tune in and watch at first regardless.

Everybody was saying American idol was finished. But then JLo and Tyler proved popular and gave the show new energy and enthusiasm. Maybe that will happen with XF here.

As much as I think Tulisa isn't a big enough name I do think she has a personality and that could prove far more important than being a big name.

Except the viewers will drop like flies. She has a strong personality but not the sweet one that Cheryl put across, which had a broader attraction.

Her and her urban slang won't go down well with the older generation that watch it.

But, anyway, has this been confirmed? Because I have a strong feeling Tulisa wouldn't want to do a show like this. I wouldn't think it would be her cup of tea.

[Jordan.]

Its the older generation that ruins the show.

[Z]

I reckon Tulisa will be hilarious to watch, she seems really opinionated, gutted about Dannii but it was the best decision for her to make IMO.

[cub]

I am far more interested in XFUSA anyway. I think this year's XFUK will crash and burn unless the contestants - remember them? It's not all about the judges - are really good.

XFUSA is going to be fascinating.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Her and her urban slang won't go down well with the older generation that watch it.

I think youre making assumptions. She aint gonna sit there dropping slang like she's chatting outside MacDonalds. She can actually speak very articulately from what Ive seen of her. She's BY FAR the most mature and sensible one in N-dubz. Not saying much I know.

[james130]

I can't get over it.
Garry Barlow seems a nice guy but oh so boring.
Louis is an annoyance.
Tulisa is nothing but a Chav and makes dreadful music.

Should've been Frankie Sandford instead. At least she's sexy.

[Vicky.]

This has gotta be a pisstake

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I think youre making assumptions. She aint gonna sit there dropping slang like she's chatting outside MacDonalds. She can actually speak very articulately from what Ive seen of her. She's BY FAR the most mature and sensible one in N-dubz. Not saying much I know.

Lol, true. But I really can't see her on a panel with Gary Barlow. That's like one of those crazy "What ifs".

[Vicky.]

Seems a bit like they WANT this years to fail for some odd reason

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Seems a bit like they WANT this years to fail for some odd reason

Wouldn't surprise me if it's Simon's F U to ITV after they refused to push the show back to next year.

[cub]

Well, Sinitta tweeted that Simon has said to pass on to her followers: "You will not be disappointed (who he has planned to replace Dannii)". So we shall have to see...