Originally Posted by 08marsh

I know you won't change your mind. I've noticed your stubborn nature all over the forum already. Not that that's a bad thing but you can prove negatives.

For example, I can prove there is no milk in my cereal bowl by showing an empty cereal bowl.

Classic case of seeing what you want to see. I've been polite in our conversation, but you've made a judgment about me, so you now need to to live up to it. Let me spell it out for you again. Just because you have provided a link saying that you can actually prove a negative, it doesn't mean that I quickly change my approach. What I've said, and what is actually the right thing to do, is to take time to read the complete link in this thread, then work from there.

So you can say what you like about me, but you're just incorrect with this point. I have strong views, and I'm not afraid to spell them out. When people feel threatened by that, like you are now, then you stop looking at the content of what I write, and instead try to weaken the positions I take by muddying the water, rather than addressing the points I make.

Originally Posted by Glenn

I know a man called Steve who owns the local Gym who's psychic. He goes to sleep and wakes up with a message from someone who has passed away. He forgets about it and he eventually comes into contact with the person the message is for. Whether its in the street or in the gym.

I asked him once how he does it and he said he was woke up one night with these voices talking in his head.

He doesn't earn money from it, and doesn't want to. He resents it.

I know its the real deal because of stuff he's told me. It's too personal to guess.

Did you watch the Derren Brown reading I posted above, Glenn? What did you think? Has it made you question anything, or does it make you think that he has the gift, but doesn't yet know it?

[Kizzy]

I agree there are those who seem sensitive to these things, experience a lot of de ja vous, have really strong warning instincts, know when children or family members are in trouble.
Childre are very sensitive thats why they have lots of experiences, but no one believes them.

Originally Posted by kizzy

I agree there are those who seem sensitive to these things, experience a lot of de ja vous, have really strong warning instincts, know when children or family members are in trouble.
Childre are very sensitive thats why they have lots of experiences, but no one believes them.

Agree with whom?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Did you watch the Derren Brown reading I posted above, Glenn? What did you think? Has it made you question anything, or does it make you think that he has the gift, but doesn't yet know it?

Yes I watched it.

It doesn't change my view on this whatsoever.

Especially not with my friend Steve.

Your outright calling him a liar because you don't believe it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Agree with whom?

Not you obv! haha, i meant glenn

Originally Posted by Glenn

Yes I watched it.

It doesn't change my view on this whatsoever.

Especially not with my friend Steve.

Your outright calling him a liar because you don't believe it.

You asked me how Sandra could know things about the urn, so I show you Derren Brown doing similar things. And now you're accusing me of attacking your friend.

Why did you go through the pretense of having a conversation about it? You should of just flounced at the start, and we could have avoided the civil conversation. Really bizarre. I'm not asking you to change your mind, I'm just showing you there are other examples of these skills.

I never for one second thought, that offering you information that you requested, would result in you having a go at me.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You asked me how Sally could know things about the urn, so I show you Derren Brown doing similar things. And now you're accusing me of attacking your friend.

Why did you go through the pretense of having a conversation about it? You should of just flounced at the start, and we could have avoided the civil conversation. Really bizarre. I'm not asking you to change your mind, I'm just showing you there are other examples of these skills.

I never for one second thought, that offering you information that you requested, would result in you having a go at me.

I gave you an example of why I believe in mediums and you posted a video, obviously with the attempt to debunk my opinion.

My friend isn't a commercial medium. He doesn't make money on it and has no intentions to fool people, like the examples in your video, which suggests all psychic's do fool people.

In a roundabout way, your calling mediums and psychics frauds. My example says its not the case, which you seem to be ignoring because you don't agree with it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Classic case of seeing what you want to see. I've been polite in our conversation, but you've made a judgment about me, so you now need to to live up to it. Let me spell it out for you again. Just because you have provided a link saying that you can actually prove a negative, it doesn't mean that I quickly change my approach. What I've said, and what is actually the right thing to do, is to take time to read the complete link in this thread, then work from there.

So you can say what you like about me, but you're just incorrect with this point. I have strong views, and I'm not afraid to spell them out. When people feel threatened by that, like you are now, then you stop looking at the content of what I write, and instead try to weaken the positions I take by muddying the water, rather than addressing the points I make.

I'm not interested in your "points" that's why I'm not addressing them. That's a debate you're having with Glenn.
I'm disputing your comment on not proving negatives because it's incorrect.

It's not a case of me reading the link I provided and then reading yours and slowly thinking about it. The reason I provided the link was I came to my own stance on it a long time ago when someone else suggested you can't prove negatives. You can't prove heaven doesn't exist, but that does not mean "you can't prove a negative" because logic itself tells us differently.

Originally Posted by Glenn

I gave you an example of why I believe in mediums and you posted a video, obviously with the attempt to debunk my opinion.

My friend isn't a commercial medium. He doesn't make money on it and has no intentions to fool people, like the examples in your video, which suggests all psychic's do fool people.

In a roundabout way, your calling mediums and psychics frauds. My example says its not the case, which you seem to be ignoring because you don't agree with it.

You purposefully asked me about one specific example about the urn. Lets not pretend that I have been hunting down your points and ticking them off, you even accused me of not answering your questions when I took longer than you wanted me to, to reply.

I called mediums/psychics frauds on page one, but I think you thought you had the "smoking gun" with the tale of an urn.

I haven't attacked anyone personally here, yet people are free to make incorrect assertions about what I've written in this thread.

[Glenn.]

OK then. Is my friend a fraud? You seem to have all the answers.

Originally Posted by 08marsh

I'm not interested in your "points" that's why I'm not addressing them. That's a debate you're having with Glenn.
I'm disputing your comment on not proving negatives because it's incorrect.

It's not a case of me reading the link I provided and then reading yours and slowly thinking about it. The reason I provided the link was I came to my own stance on it a long time ago when someone else suggested you can't prove negatives. You can't prove heaven doesn't exist, but that does not mean "you can't prove a negative" because logic itself tells us differently.

Well congratulations on arriving on your own, to an issue we disagree about. My point, that you are not interested in (even though you attempted to mock it in your last post), is that I won't be changing my mind on the basis of one link, but I will look into the information you have provided.

Now, I was always under the impression that only mathematics (a discipline I'm **** at) can prove a negative, so you see, from an intellectual perspective, I can't just accept your evidence and change my opinion with the click of yours/or my fingers.

Intellectual honesty requires that I take time to look into both sides of this again and reexamine my position.

Now, that isn't me being "stubborn" as you tried to paint me. That is me, taking the correct approach to an intellectual position.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Well congratulations on arriving on your own, to an issue we disagree about. My point, that you are not interested in (even though you attempted to mock it in your last post), is that I won't be changing my mind on the basis of one link, but I will look into the information you have provided.

Now, I was always under the impression that only mathematics (a discipline I'm **** at) can prove a negative, so you see, from an intellectual perspective, I can't just accept your evidence and change my opinion with the click of yours/or my fingers.

Intellectual honesty requires that I take time to look into both sides of this again and reexamine my position.

Now, that isn't me being "stubborn" as you tried to paint me. That is me, taking the correct approach to an intellectual position.

I've already said I don't expect nor want you to change your mind.

[Kazanne]

I don't believe in fortune tellers etc,but Ghosts,I would never say they do not exist as none of us really know,I have never seen one,but I would never jest at anyone who has seen one,they may or may not exist.

Originally Posted by Glenn

OK then. Is my friend a fraud? You seem to have all the answers.

Glenn, please look at my first post in this thread on page one. Never, have I claimed to have all the answers. I've offered different opinions, and explained them using the terms of our own survival as a species, as to why we see things that aren't really there.

Saying that "you seem to have all the answers" is an easy way to pretend that's what I believe about myself.

[Glenn.]

Again, you didn't answer my question.

Nevermind. I'm really not wasting any more of my time on this subject.

Originally Posted by Glenn

Again, you didn't answer my question.

Nevermind. I'm really not wasting any more of my time on this subject.

I purposefully decided against answering your question, because there is no point after your accusations against me last time.

Probably best if we agree to disagree.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Roy Mars III

you didn't see one because they do not exist. case closed

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You purposefully asked me about one specific example about the urn. Lets not pretend that I have been hunting down your points and ticking them off, you even accused me of not answering your questions when I took longer than you wanted me to, to reply.

I called mediums/psychics frauds on page one, but I think you thought you had the "smoking gun" with the tale of an urn.

I haven't attacked anyone personally here, yet people are free to make incorrect assertions about what I've written in this thread.

People are also free to read your posts and to see exactly what you have posted in black and white.

Mediums or psychics are frauds? Please note there is a difference. there may be people who are psychics or mediums (or who claim to be0 therefore you have insulted them.

Also in other posts you called those who believe in mediums etc gullible thats also a condescending attitude to throw about.

Do you believe in the laws of physics?

[Kizzy]

I believe that anyone who claims to be psychic and or a medium, and who uses this claim to make a living or charge monies to any person or persons to be fraudulent.

[Jords]

Probably not, scientifically speaking what would be the point?
Cool/Scary/Interesting idea though.

My uncle swears blind he saw a ghost in a field when he still lived in Italy and she was sat on hay though, so yeah.. probably not but you cant be completely sure.

Originally Posted by Shasown

People are also free to read your posts and to see exactly what you have posted in black and white.

Mediums or psychics are frauds? Please note there is a difference. there may be people who are psychics or mediums (or who claim to be0 therefore you have insulted them.

Also in other posts you called those who believe in mediums etc gullible thats also a condescending attitude to throw about.

Do you believe in the laws of physics?

Yes - Mediums/Psychics are frauds. They can't do anything that people with training can do.

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think I've rubbished anyone who has claimed to believe in such things. I think I've challenged their positions, but people don't have the right to go through life without being offended. I also remember stating they were victims in this whole scenario, and they were being fleeced. That is a far cry from mocking people who believe it. I tell you what I have done, though. I've tried to provide evidence and theories for this whole subject.

I don't believe in the laws of physics in the same way I don't believe in the sun. It just is. They are part of our universe. I'm not a theoretical physicist, but I am a science geek. I don't need to know every discipline of the scientific process, but I'm confident in those who do work in this field. My confidence is ensured, through the constant using of the scientific method.
I wouldn't jump off a building just to see whether gravity really does exist.

I hope this "laws of physics" question isn't going to lead you on to some Deepak Chopra. But in fact, what I think you're trying to aim for, is quantum physics and the unpredictable predictability. Maybe a bit of string theory thrown in for good measure?

Considering you said you weren't interested in my points, but merely wanted to argue about proving a negative, I have no idea why you quoted my post at all.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Yes - Mediums/Psychics are frauds. They can't do anything that people with training can do.

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think I've rubbished anyone who has claimed to believe in such things. I think I've challenged their positions, but people don't have the right to go through life without being offended. I also remember stating they were victims in this whole scenario, and they were being fleeced. That is a far cry from mocking people who believe it. I tell you what I have done, though. I've tried to provide evidence and theories for this whole subject.

I don't believe in the laws of physics in the same way I don't believe in the sun. It just is. They are part of our universe. I'm not a theoretical physicist, but I am a science geek. I don't need to know every discipline of the scientific process, but I'm confident in those who do work in this field. My confidence is ensured, through the constant using of the scientific method.
I wouldn't jump off a building just to see whether gravity really does exist.

I hope this "laws of physics" question isn't going to lead you on to some Deepak Chopra. But in fact, what I think you're trying to aim for, is quantum physics and the unpredictable predictability. Maybe a bit of string theory thrown in for good measure?

Considering you said you weren't interested in my points, but merely wanted to argue about proving a negative, I have no idea why you quoted my post at all.

Not all mediums and psychics.

[Jessica.]

I think some Mediums really believe they can talk to the dead, but really they can't.

[Glenn.]

My friend can.

And he doesn't make a penny for it. Hardly a fraud