[Smithy]

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

I know the man whos done the documentry, it was started when Saville was still alive,the BBC bought rites to it, but then the selfish old scrote died, so Bbc refused to show it, it has now been sold to ITV ,no doubt tweeked because of his death, but I can assure you it WAS made while he was alive

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Smithy

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

If the allegations are true, then his honours should be stripped from his name, which should be blackened forever .....

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Smithy

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

people who are abused often find the weight of trying to hide these type of abuses is just as traumatic as the actual abuse. sometimes just telling the truth and getting it off of their shoulders can be very important and therapeutic.

Just having people understand what has been done to you can be very healing.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

What's the point of investigating it now?

He's dead, can't punish him now :/

No But He Can Not Stop the Docu and New Police

The Women/Girls he attacked want to tell their storys
that I understand.

[MTVN]

Haven't the allegations floated around for a while but because of who he is there's never been anything to really come of it, it's true that as Alex said very few women actually report rape and very few cases that go to courts end in a guilty verdict, it'd be understandable if they thought pursuing the whole thing previously would only cause more grief

[Z]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Haven't the allegations floated around for a while but because of who he is there's never been anything to really come of it, it's true that as Alex said very few women actually report rape and very few cases that go to courts end in a guilty verdict, it'd be understandable if they thought pursuing the whole thing previously would only cause more grief

See I think this 'because of who he is we didn't say anything' line is a bit ridiculous, purely because of the vilification of Gary Glitter - it's not like the media are afraid to out a famous person for their crimes.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zee

See I think this 'because of who he is we didn't say anything' line is a bit ridiculous, purely because of the vilification of Gary Glitter - it's not like the media are afraid to out a famous person for their crimes.

I think it'd be a bit different for someone like Jimmy though, who was one of the most loved characters in the country and had been knighted not just by the Queen but by the Pope

[Z]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it'd be a bit different for someone like Jimmy though, who was one of the most loved characters in the country and had been knighted not just by the Queen but by the Pope

I understand what you mean but I just don't think the media are scared to take someone down like that. They love to build people up and tear them down again.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it'd be a bit different for someone like Jimmy though, who was one of the most loved characters in the country and had been knighted not just by the Queen but by the Pope

Let's face it... is there anyone here who didn't think he was an odd-bod? Rather than a national treasure, he was treated as a bit of a joke, wasn't he. But that doesn't mean he's necessarily guilty.

[lostalex]

No one should be feeling sorry for JImmy Saville, he got away with a lot, and the fact that he never had to answer these allegations, i'm sure he's grateful for.

[Z]

Originally Posted by lostalex

No one should be feeling sorry for JImmy Saville, he got away with a lot, and the fact that he never had to answer these allegations, i'm sure he's grateful for.

But then on the other hand - what if he did nothing to these women? He didn't 'get away' with anything, he didn't have to answer allegations because there weren't any and now he's dead and people are dragging his name through the mud. Why wait until he's dead? They've had what, forty years to come forward with this information? I just don't think I believe this, it's my gut feeling.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zee

But then on the other hand - what if he did nothing to these women? He didn't 'get away' with anything, he didn't have to answer allegations because there weren't any and now he's dead and people are dragging his name through the mud. Why wait until he's dead? They've had what, forty years to come forward with this information? I just don't think I believe this, it's my gut feeling.

they weren't women, they were children.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by lostalex

No one should be feeling sorry for JImmy Saville, he got away with a lot, and the fact that he never had to answer these allegations, i'm sure he's grateful for.

And this is the point of my argument. You don't know for sure whether he's guilty of not... you're assuming. And there's nothing he will ever be able to do to clear his name.

[Z]

Esther Rantzen's not exactly the most reliable of sources, she's notorious for jumping on bandwagons and stirring up the pot - both rightly and wrongly in equal measure, off the top of my head. I think I'll wait until more information becomes publicly available before I post in this thread again - but I think it's important to not write Jimmy Savile off as a sex offender before anything's even been confirmed or denied.

[the truth]

a person is innocent until proven guilty. trial by media is no trial at all, totally meaningless. If these women want to be taken seriously go to the police and provide evidence and try to prove these allegations.

[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

a person is innocent until proven guilty. trial by media is no trial at all, totally meaningless. If these women want to be taken seriously go to the police and provide evidence and try to prove these allegations.

The Police
are now looking into this , again.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by arista

The Police
are now looking into this , again.

What can the Police achieve by looking into this again, they will take statements from the alleged victims but no evidence ie photographic or DNA (wasn't around then) or anything that can substantiate these claims. It becomes their word against the word of a dead man who cannot answer back.

No criminal prosecution will ever be mounted so all of this is circumstantial, heresay etc...

If these women were attacked/molested/abused by him then it is outrageous that this much loved figure could hide this vile behaviour from the public for so long. And yes their story should be told and he should lose his knighthood and his name and reputation.

But if they are creating stories out of nothing or embellishing odd behaviour which may have felt uncomfortable at the time eg fruity language to gain press attention and/or monetary gain now all these years later, then how can JS ever defend himself against this.

Since Mud sticks and there's no smoke without fire even if these stories amount to nothing his reputation is toast.

A tough one to call...!!!

[lostalex]

innocent until proven guilty under THE LAW. but just because you can't prove someone is guilty doesn't mean they are innocent in REALITY.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

innocent until proven guilty under THE LAW. but just because you can't prove someone is guilty doesn't mean they are innocent in REALITY.

and it doesnt mean theyre guilty in reality either

personally i think the law should protect the accused as well as the accuser until it reaches trial. as it stands, anyone can wrongly accuse anyone of anything, shame them, detsroy their lives, get them sacked and withdraw the complaint at a later date. oh and sell the story in the mean time to make a fortune. false accusation of such a crime is almost as bad as the crime itself imho

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

and it doesnt mean theyre guilty in reality either

personally i think the law should protect the accused as well as the accuser until it reaches trial. as it stands, anyone can wrongly accuse anyone of anything, shame them, detsroy their lives, get them sacked and withdraw the complaint at a later date. oh and sell the story in the mean time to make a fortune. false accusation of such a crime is almost as bad as the crime itself imho

no, i think as it stands now there are far more guilty people going free than innocent people put in jail. Guilty people already have it too easy, you want to have even more opportunities to get away with their crimes??? are you joking??

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

no, i think as it stands now there are far more guilty people going free than innocent people put in jail. Guilty people already have it too easy, you want to have even more opportunities to get away with their crimes??? are you joking??

but what of those thousands falsely accused who lives and families are utterly destroyed? what should happen to those false accusers, who simply set out to destroy people and make fast money?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

but what of those thousands falsely accused who lives and families are utterly destroyed? what should happen to those false accusers, who simply set out to destroy people and make fast money?

what about those millions of victims that get no justice?

[arista]

A new Woman who was 14 at the time
in Jersey
was taken into his van for sexual acts.

Just on Ch5News

[Omah]

With all this speculation going on before the program, what's it going to be like when we've seen it .....