[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Owen Jones was really good this morning Jack, for me anyway he certainly showed the guy from the Sun up for what he was too.

Really good, I like Owen Jones too,glad This Morning had the sense to bring him on for balance.

Yes I am trying to get him a show on SkyNewsHD.

[Vicky.]

http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resource...ng-remarks.pdf

The judges summing up of the case.

Very different to the mails take on things.

The extra details in it may be upsetting to some..I know it upset me.

[Jack_]

Here's the debate from This Morning in full. The last video I posted (and subsequently deleted) was an edited down version uploaded by Guido Fawkes' people:

http://shows.stv.tv/this-morning/lif...welfare-state/

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Owen Jones was really good this morning Jack, for me anyway he certainly showed the guy from the Sun up for what he was too.

Really good, I like Owen Jones too,glad This Morning had the sense to bring him on for balance.

Exactly, the man from The Sun was a total moron.

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I am trying to get him a show on SkyNewsHD.

So you do work for Sky after all?

[Kizzy]

I saw this article today of a tragic case of a goth attacked in 2007

Police in Manchester have said they will begin recording offences against members of alternative subcultures in the same way they do attacks based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/ap...nks-hate-crime

Would you not say that the government and the right wing media are not guilty of inciting hatred against a sub group?... I would, why are they allowed to purport that the welfare state is in some way responsible for such heinous crimes as the one commited by Phillpot?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Here's the debate from This Morning in full. The last video I posted (and subsequently deleted) was an edited down version uploaded by Guido Fawkes' people:

http://shows.stv.tv/this-morning/lif...welfare-state/



Exactly, the man from The Sun was a total moron.



So you do work for Sky after all?

No I do not

Many that work in contracts are Freelance,
One bloke Does weekend SkySports
and ITV London News.
New types of shows
are tested first.

[jackc1806]

I really hate the Daily Mail. It's a newspaper that pretends it is a broadsheet even though its a tabloid, brainwashing lower middle class Little Englanders into believing its scare mongering, right wing drivel that it publishes. Let us not forget that this newspaper supported fascism during the 30s and still holds anti-foreign views. This article is the DM at its worst, using the deaths of innocent children to brainwash and manipulate people into voting for the Tories. As many people on this forum have pointed out the fact Philpott manipulated the benefits system does not change the fact he was already evil and inhumane. What about the people that rely on the welfare safety net because they've lost jobs or desperately looking for work? This article tries to demonise these people and name the middle class housewives who obsess in the rubbish sneer down their noses and ridicule these people who rely on welfare. Disgusting.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by jackc1806

I really hate the Daily Mail. It's a newspaper that pretends it is a broadsheet even though its a tabloid, brainwashing lower middle class Little Englanders into believing its scare mongering, right wing drivel that it publishes. Let us not forget that this newspaper supported fascism during the 30s and still holds anti-foreign views. This article is the DM at its worst, using the deaths of innocent children to brainwash and manipulate people into voting for the Tories. As many people on this forum have pointed out the fact Philpott manipulated the benefits system does not change the fact he was already evil and inhumane. What about the people that rely on the welfare safety net because they've lost jobs or desperately looking for work? This article tries to demonise these people and name the middle class housewives who obsess in the rubbish sneer down their noses and ridicule these people who rely on welfare. Disgusting.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jackc1806

I really hate the Daily Mail. It's a newspaper that pretends it is a broadsheet even though its a tabloid, brainwashing lower middle class Little Englanders into believing its scare mongering, right wing drivel that it publishes. Let us not forget that this newspaper supported fascism during the 30s and still holds anti-foreign views. This article is the DM at its worst, using the deaths of innocent children to brainwash and manipulate people into voting for the Tories. As many people on this forum have pointed out the fact Philpott manipulated the benefits system does not change the fact he was already evil and inhumane. What about the people that rely on the welfare safety net because they've lost jobs or desperately looking for work? This article tries to demonise these people and name the middle class housewives who obsess in the rubbish sneer down their noses and ridicule these people who rely on welfare. Disgusting.

[jackc1806]

http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/

This is pretty accurate aha!

[Kizzy]

WILL YOBS RUIN THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY?
Look what I got

[arista]

Originally Posted by jackc1806

I really hate the Daily Mail. It's a newspaper that pretends it is a broadsheet even though its a tabloid, brainwashing lower middle class Little Englanders into believing its scare mongering, right wing drivel that it publishes. Let us not forget that this newspaper supported fascism during the 30s and still holds anti-foreign views. This article is the DM at its worst, using the deaths of innocent children to brainwash and manipulate people into voting for the Tories. As many people on this forum have pointed out the fact Philpott manipulated the benefits system does not change the fact he was already evil and inhumane. What about the people that rely on the welfare safety net because they've lost jobs or desperately looking for work? This article tries to demonise these people and name the middle class housewives who obsess in the rubbish sneer down their noses and ridicule these people who rely on welfare. Disgusting.

No One holds a Gun to your head
telling you to read it.

The Women Section is well liked by all kinds of women workers

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

No One holds a Gun to your head
telling you to read it.

The Women Section is well liked by all kinds of women workers

Oh yes, here they are...

[bbfan1991]

It was a vile headline and a very stupid by the Daily Fail to play the class game with what was a tragic story, but instead they had to use something to play the outrage card.

[arista]

Owen Jones is on Ch4News now

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jackc1806

I really hate the Daily Mail. It's a newspaper that pretends it is a broadsheet even though its a tabloid, brainwashing lower middle class Little Englanders into believing its scare mongering, right wing drivel that it publishes. Let us not forget that this newspaper supported fascism during the 30s and still holds anti-foreign views. This article is the DM at its worst, using the deaths of innocent children to brainwash and manipulate people into voting for the Tories. As many people on this forum have pointed out the fact Philpott manipulated the benefits system does not change the fact he was already evil and inhumane. What about the people that rely on the welfare safety net because they've lost jobs or desperately looking for work? This article tries to demonise these people and name the middle class housewives who obsess in the rubbish sneer down their noses and ridicule these people who rely on welfare. Disgusting.

Excellent post.

[Jack_]

What a ****ing ******

[Kizzy]

I don't know about benefit claimants but this guy is totally 'shameless'

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't know about benefit claimants but this guy is totally 'shameless'

I agree with that too. Useless at his job too all the revising down he has to do.

[arista]

Jack from the thread about this

Originally Posted by Nedusa

To be fair the driver parked there and stayed in the car so could have moved if required. Also George Osbourne is a Minister of the State so security is also an issue.

All in All a bit of a non story, there are far more worrying things going on in the World at the moment just look at the situation in North Korea which has the potential to escalate into WWIII....!!!!!

[GiRTh]

The Mail is becoming like Fox News. They slant every story to push their agenda.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

The Mail is becoming like Fox News. They slant every story to push their agenda.

Yes they need a TV Ch.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...al-debate.html

[the truth]

Originally Posted by jackc1806

I really hate the Daily Mail. It's a newspaper that pretends it is a broadsheet even though its a tabloid, brainwashing lower middle class Little Englanders into believing its scare mongering, right wing drivel that it publishes. Let us not forget that this newspaper supported fascism during the 30s and still holds anti-foreign views. This article is the DM at its worst, using the deaths of innocent children to brainwash and manipulate people into voting for the Tories. As many people on this forum have pointed out the fact Philpott manipulated the benefits system does not change the fact he was already evil and inhumane. What about the people that rely on the welfare safety net because they've lost jobs or desperately looking for work? This article tries to demonise these people and name the middle class housewives who obsess in the rubbish sneer down their noses and ridicule these people who rely on welfare. Disgusting.

you sound more discriminating than the daily mail

In a democracy its vital to allow some freedom of speech, the mail has every right to highlight the exploitation of the benefits culture, just as papers have the right to report on the exploitation on the other end of the scale at the banks etc

[the truth]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

It was a vile headline and a very stupid by the Daily Fail to play the class game with what was a tragic story, but instead they had to use something to play the outrage card.

40,000+ families with 5 children or more are workless and live entirely from benefits. the majority of these people are plain lazy and do not deserve these handouts. Im delighted the mail and others report on this. This scumbag wouldnt have been empowered like this for decades to abuse and destroy lives without these handouts

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

40,000+ families with 5 children or more are workless and live entirely from benefits. the majority of these people are plain lazy and do not deserve these handouts. Im delighted the mail and others report on this. This scumbag wouldnt have been empowered like this for decades to abuse and destroy lives without these handouts

You realise his household was claiming IN work benefits...not unemployment benefits? They claimed child benefit (available for anyone with a wage below 60k coming in) tax credits, and housing benefit. As the women were working.

Not that that makes the amount they recieved any better mind.

People keep saying the man was lazy for not working. However, if it had been him out working and the women staying with the kids..I dont think there would be such an outcry about it.

Also, had he been working too, the state would have had to pick up the huge tab for childcare for all those kids.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You realise his household was claiming IN work benefits...not unemployment benefits? They claimed child benefit (available for anyone with a wage below 60k coming in) tax credits, and housing benefit. As the women were working.

Not that that makes the amount they recieved any better mind.

People keep saying the man was lazy for not working. However, if it had been him out working and the women staying with the kids..I dont think there would be such an outcry about it.

Also, had he been working too, the state would have had to pick up the huge tab for childcare for all those kids.

he had plenty of time for affairs, booze, fags, humiliating tv appearances, yet never worked. he should have at the very least worked part time around his wifes part time job. but thats hard when youre so busy having affairs, threatening people, drinking , smoking and embarassing your family on tv