[YodaBB]

I feel bad as I just changed my favourite on my profile to Candice to show her support (& her amazing Jury speech) and then Judd was evicted straight away. But I'll keep this avatar (Thanks Lemonjam ) to give Judd support also.

[Razor]

Sad to see him go

[Joe.]

Ridiculous- the twist ruined him. So sad to see him go, hopefully there's a twist like BBCanada to bring him back- like Julie hinted at.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

King Judd is better off away from those monstrosities anyway

[EzzaB]

What the hell happened!?!? In 3 minutes he's was out the door

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by Joe.

Ridiculous- the twist ruined him. So sad to see him go, hopefully there's a twist like BBCanada to bring him back- like Julie hinted at.

No he screwed himself over.

This is what killed his game.

1. Selling out the Grasshopper alliance. He could have played both sides or completely turn on Amanda, McCrea etc. Instead he sold them out a day after they were formed. - Dan on twitter said this

Judd what are you doing?!? Admitting a fake alliance? Just keep it under wraps. #BB15

2. Keeping Aaryn over Kaitlin. This helped no one's game, but Amanda's. Kaitlin was already in an alliance with him and he knew Aaryn's deal was with Amanda and not him.

3. Admitting to lying about hearing Kaitlin saying her next target is Helen. It made everyone in his alliance distrust him.

4. Dismissing everything Candice and Jessie told him about Amanda targeting him as lies.

Judd was not a good player. MVP twist did not screw him over at all. If anything it helped him by putting Amanda up on block, but he didn't even consider voting her out.

[Braden]

Definitely was starting to go off Judd before his eviction.

I thought it was pretty obvious that he was playing up to his goofy, likeable persona. He's a big fan of the show and knows that he could have won America's Favourite by acting the way he did, it probably meant more to him than winning the entire game.

Thankfully it backfired and he couldn't maintain the facade that he hoped would make him so popular. The way he was speaking to the crowd when he was evicted as if they loved every word he was saying was extremely irritating as well.

I'll be so annoyed if he somehow gets back in the game.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by SoBig

No he screwed himself over.

This is what killed his game.

1. Selling out the Grasshopper alliance. He could have played both sides or completely turn on Amanda, McCrea etc. Instead he sold them out a day after they were formed. - Dan on twitter said this

2. Keeping Aaryn over Kaitlin. This helped no one's game, but Amanda's. Kaitlin was already in an alliance with him and he knew Aaryn's deal was with Amanda and not him.

3. Admitting to lying about hearing Kaitlin saying her next target is Helen. It made everyone in his alliance distrust him.

4. Dismissing everything Candice and Jessie told him about Amanda targeting him as lies.

Judd was not a good player. MVP twist did not screw him over at all. If anything it helped him by putting Amanda up on block, but he didn't even consider voting her out.

I agree with your points, but the MVP twist did also screw his game over, Amanda became convinced he was MVP and she told everyone else this and most believed her. Helen and Aaryn were both convinced he was MVP by the time he was evicted.

If you watched the live feeds after his evicion they made it clear why they wanted him gone because they thought he was MVP and secretly putting Amanda up and that he lied about the grasshopper alliance.

What makes me most laugh is Helen who thinks herself as a mastermind is such a idiot thinking Judd was MVP and trying to get Amanda out even though he kept refusing to vote Amanda out

Yes he became a dick the last week and 50% of his eviction can be blamed on himself, but the other 50% was because of the MVP twist.

I dont care really, as a fan of his I am just happy he can go back to normality having played the game he loves, unlike half the houseguests who return to no jobs and their lives ruined

[Braden]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

I agree with your points, but the MVP twist did also screw his game over, Amanda became convinced he was MVP and she told everyone else this and most believed her. Helen and Aaryn were both convinced he was MVP by the time he was evicted.

If you watched the live feeds after his evicion they made it clear why they wanted him gone because they thought he was MVP and secretly putting Amanda up and that he lied about the grasshopper alliance.

What makes me most laugh is Helen who thinks herself as a mastermind is such a idiot thinking Judd was MVP and trying to get Amanda out even though he kept refusing to vote Amanda out

Yes he became a dick the last week and 50% of his eviction can be blamed on himself, but the other 50% was because of the MVP twist.

I dont care really, as a fan of his I am just happy he can go back to normality having played the game he loves, unlike half the houseguests who return to no jobs and their lives ruined

But Candice told him that everyone thought he was the MVP.

The MVP twist isn't something that certifies what happens in the house. People can still gameplay and work around it strategically. Judd proved that he had no intelligence because he could have evicted Amanda and made an alliance with Elissa, Helen and Jessie. If he did that then he wouldn't be in the jury right now. So sadly I think Judd only has himself to blame.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by Braden

But Candice told him that everyone thought he was the MVP.

The MVP twist isn't something that certifies what happens in the house. People can still gameplay and work around it strategically. Judd proved that he had no intelligence because he could have evicted Amanda and made an alliance with Elissa, Helen and Jessie. If he did that then he wouldn't be in the jury right now. So sadly I think Judd only has himself to blame.

He had a alliance with Amanda from week one and trusted her, he didn't know she was against him. Why should he believe Candice someone he had no alliance too and said this to him in a middle of competition out of no where. He just trusted the wrong people.

Again one of the reasons why Amanda started the anti-Judd crusade was because she thought he was MVP and people believed her. Therefore the MVP had a part in his eviction and screwed him over.

Even if he voted Amanda out Aaryn would have still won HOH and got him out for not voting candice out anyway. So he would be on jury either way.

Again I agree he has his flaws and some of the blame for his eviction was down to himself, but the other part was down to the MVP making people think he was MVP and targeting him.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

He had a alliance with Amanda from week one and trusted her, he didn't know she was against him. Why should he believe Candice someone he had no alliance too and said this to him in a middle of competition out of no where. He just trusted the wrong people.

Again one of the reasons why Amanda started the anti-Judd crusade was because she thought he was MVP and people believed her. Therefore the MVP had a part in his eviction and screwed him over.

Even if he voted Amanda out Aaryn would have still won HOH and got him out for not voting candice out anyway. So he would be on jury either way.

Again I agree he has his flaws and some of the blame for his eviction was down to himself, but the other part was down to the MVP making people think he was MVP and targeting him.

I don't know. I think a lot of things could be different had he switched to the other side with Jessie, Helen and Elissa. Helen would've pulled the puppet strings with Aaryn and influenced a different target because they would've had the numbers. Probably McCrae because they would have gotten rid of a power couple.

Judd said in his interview that Amamda was the person who was running the house, and he had the opportunity to get rid of her and put himself in a better position. So it's not entirely to do with everyone thinking he was the MVP, but his lack of intelligence.

Also, if I was in his shoes and somebody like Candice, despite not having much of a relationship with, told me that someone thought I was the MVP I would try my absolute hardest to try and reflect t on somebody else. Judd wasn't even bothered, and in addition lied to Amanda by saying that he was going to use the POV on her but then blatantly gave it to Jessie during the competition.

[Marc]

R.I.P

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by Braden

I don't know. I think a lot of things could be different had he switched to the other side with Jessie, Helen and Elissa. Helen would've pulled the puppet strings with Aaryn and influenced a different target because they would've had the numbers. Probably McCrae because they would have gotten rid of a power couple.

Judd said in his interview that Amamda was the person who was running the house, and he had the opportunity to get rid of her and put himself in a better position. So it's not entirely to do with everyone thinking he was the MVP, but his lack of intelligence.

Also, if I was in his shoes and somebody like Candice, despite not having much of a relationship with, told me that someone thought I was the MVP I would try my absolute hardest to try and reflect t on somebody else. Judd wasn't even bothered, and in addition lied to Amanda by saying that he was going to use the POV on her but then blatantly gave it to Jessie during the competition.

He also said in the interview that he wanted to go to the end with Amanda, McCrae and Andy because he trusted them the most. He was with them from week one and they went through alot the first few weeks and risked their games to keep Elissa around, so he is obviously going to be loyal to them.

Watching the live feeds after the POV he actually asked Amanda if there was any truth to what Candice said and she denied it so it did bother him. But this again comes down to him trusted someone who he thought had his back since week one. Maybe a dumb move on his part. And he did try and blame it on someone else, he said a number of times he thought Elissa was MVP, so he did try and deflect on someone else, but Amanda didnt buy it.

Again watching the live feeds we have no idea what would have happened if Judd agreed to flip. For one Helen kepts changing her mind every 5 seconds, and she even said she would tell Andy to vote their way, and he would have done anything to change Helens mind, and she is stupid enough to be in a final 2 with him she would have listened to him and kept Amanda.

Also before this week it had been building up to Helen vs Judd, both distrusted one another and both wanted each other gone next so I cant see them working together.

Can we just agree that half of his eviction comes down to his own actions, while the other half is because of the MVP twist. If it was not for the MVP twist half the mistrust towards him would not be there. Sure people would question him about his lies but Amanda would not be so obsessive over him targeting her.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

He also said in the interview that he wanted to go to the end with Amanda, McCrae and Andy because he trusted them the most. He was with them from week one and they went through alot the first few weeks and risked their games to keep Elissa around, so he is obviously going to be loyal to them.

Watching the live feeds after the POV he actually asked Amanda if there was any truth to what Candice said and she denied it so it did bother him. But this again comes down to him trusted someone who he thought had his back since week one. Maybe a dumb move on his part. And he did try and blame it on someone else, he said a number of times he thought Elissa was MVP, so he did try and deflect on someone else, but Amanda didnt buy it.

Again watching the live feeds we have no idea what would have happened if Judd agreed to flip. For one Helen kepts changing her mind every 5 seconds, and she even said she would tell Andy to vote their way, and he would have done anything to change Helens mind, and she is stupid enough to be in a final 2 with him she would have listened to him and kept Amanda.

Also before this week it had been building up to Helen vs Judd, both distrusted one another and both wanted each other gone next so I cant see them working together.

Can we just agree that half of his eviction comes down to his own actions, while the other half is because of the MVP twist. If it was not for the MVP twist half the mistrust towards him would not be there. Sure people would question him about his lies but Amanda would not be so obsessive over him targeting her.

I'm not trying to get at you or anything. It's just because I think Judd has really poor gameplay.

Obviously the MVP twist has part to do with everybody's evictions because it was the twist of this season. So I don't think distributing percentages in regards to what fault evictions are is necessary because A LOT of things contribute to it. Ultimately it's down to the way people work around them and how they plan their gameplay.

I just don't think Judd has any gameplay to be credited on because he was worked up about being America's favourite. The only thing he had going for him was his goofy, humble facade, which faded quite recently and we saw the real Judd come out.

If he had any form of brain then he would've used the POV on Amanda because:

A) as you said they were in an alliance and he trusted her.

and...

B) it would've made Amanda even more suspicious about him being the MVP

I have to apologise because I'm not an avid live feed watcher. However, I feel that Judd's best interest would've been to switch over and try and gain trust with Helen and Elissa. He had already used the POV on Jessie and that was the perfect opportunity to get a strong competitor out of the house, who he also knew was controlling the house. It would've also let him be more ambiguous with his relationship with Aaryn.

I'm obviously going to have to watch the show carefully on Sunday because I'm clueless about any Helen vs. Judd feud.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by Braden

I'm not trying to get at you or anything. It's just because I think Judd has really poor gameplay.

Obviously the MVP twist has part to do with everybody's evictions because it was the twist of this season. So I don't think distributing percentages in regards to what fault evictions are is necessary because A LOT of things contribute to it. Ultimately it's down to the way people work around them and how they plan their gameplay.

I just don't think Judd has any gameplay to be credited on because he was worked up about being America's favourite. The only thing he had going for him was his goofy, humble facade, which faded quite recently and we saw the real Judd come out.

If he had any form of brain then he would've used the POV on Amanda because:

A) as you said they were in an alliance and he trusted her.

and...

B) it would've made Amanda even more suspicious about him being the MVP

I have to apologise because I'm not an avid live feed watcher. However, I feel that Judd's best interest would've been to switch over and try and gain trust with Helen and Elissa. He had already used the POV on Jessie and that was the perfect opportunity to get a strong competitor out of the house, who he also knew was controlling the house. It would've also let him be more ambiguous with his relationship with Aaryn.

I'm obviously going to have to watch the show carefully on Sunday because I'm clueless about any Helen vs. Judd feud.

Yes the MVP has got others evicted, but in Judd's cause it is the unfairest as he got blamed for something he did not do. I all ready posted the reasons why they wanted him out and all of them bar the katlin lie was showing Judd to be correct so I cant wait until people like Amanda and Helen to see that he was not MVP or he did not lie about the grasshoppers alliance.

Maybe he was not the best game player but from his point of view he thought he was in a solid alliance with the goof troop (him, andy, amanda and McCrae) that had his back.

Not point watching the Sunday show they will once again show Helen as the mastermind when she is not

This time I hope the show her being all cocky and being like "Judd has to go because he was MVP and he was putting Master Amanda up (Cuts to Julie saying America is MVP), and he lied about the grasshopper alliance (Cuts to the grasshopper alliance being formed)"

Helens eviction cannot come sooner

[Braden]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Yes the MVP has got others evicted, but in Judd's cause it is the unfairest as he got blamed for something he did not do. I all ready posted the reasons why they wanted him out and all of them bar the katlin lie was showing Judd to be correct so I cant wait until people like Amanda and Helen to see that he was not MVP or he did not lie about the grasshoppers alliance.

Maybe he was not the best game player but from his point of view he thought he was in a solid alliance with the goof troop (him, andy, amanda and McCrae) that had his back.

Not point watching the Sunday show they will once again show Helen as the mastermind when she is not

This time I hope the show her being all cocky and being like "Judd has to go because he was MVP and he was putting Master Amanda up (Cuts to Julie saying America is MVP), and he lied about the grasshopper alliance (Cuts to the grasshopper alliance being formed)"

Helens eviction cannot come sooner

Yeah, I agree with the Helen comments. I don't mind her so much as a person, but she is getting a biased edit.

I don't think anybody is playing a great game, but if somebody deserves compliments it's Aaryn. Helen thinks she's using Aaryn as her puppet without getting blood on her hands but it's the other way round. Aaryn is making a fool of Helen because everybody knows that Helen is calling the shots with Aaryn's decisions. So basically Aaryn has a great reputation in terms of winning HOH competitions and making sure that she hides behind Helen whenever she gets people evicted.

She's made this game personal, but she knows when to make her personal comments. People like Amanda and GinaMarie create huge targets on their backs because of confrontation they cause at wrong times. Aaryn has created confrontation but she's been smart about how she plays it out for herself.

If I was a jury member and I was casting my vote at this moment in time I would totally pick Aaryn...it's just a shame that she's a narrow-minded, horrible, ignorant person.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by Braden

Yeah, I agree with the Helen comments. I don't mind her so much as a person, but she is getting a biased edit.

I don't think anybody is playing a great game, but if somebody deserves compliments it's Aaryn. Helen thinks she's using Aaryn as her puppet without getting blood on her hands but it's the other way round. Aaryn is making a fool of Helen because everybody knows that Helen is calling the shots with Aaryn's decisions. So basically Aaryn has a great reputation in terms of winning HOH competitions and making sure that she hides behind Helen whenever she gets people evicted.

She's made this game personal, but she knows when to make her personal comments. People like Amanda and GinaMarie create huge targets on their backs because of confrontation they cause at wrong times. Aaryn has created confrontation but she's been smart about how she plays it out for herself.

If I was a jury member and I was casting my vote at this moment in time I would totally pick Aaryn...it's just a shame that she's a narrow-minded, horrible, ignorant person.

I agree at this point the only two people who deserve to win are Aaryn and Andy. I would say Andy more so, hes playing a good game playing both sides (Helen and Amanda). No one is targeting him and he seems to be well liked by people (more so than Aaryn), if he can win a few more comps toward the end (like Ian from last year), I can very well see him winning this game if he makes final 2.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

I agree at this point the only two people who deserve to win are Aaryn and Andy. I would say Andy more so, hes playing a good game playing both sides (Helen and Amanda). No one is targeting him and he seems to be well liked by people (more so than Aaryn), if he can win a few more comps toward the end (like Ian from last year), I can very well see him winning this game if he makes final 2.

Yeah, I definitely see Andy making it quite far.

I did read a post on here saying that he should have threw the HOH, which I completely agree with. He could have been sitting pretty for another week. He could upset a few people this week. Maybe if Jessie wins POV, but imagine if Jessie were to get HOH in the future she would have bigger targets.

[SoBig]

Judd is an idiot for wanting to go to the final 4 with a couple.

I thought his best move was to stick with the Grasshopper alliance and take out the people that were calling all the shots.

He would have had a better chance of winning against Howard, GM, Kaitlin, Spencer and Candice (?) than McCrae, Andy, Helen, Amanda.

He was in a really good position and he screwed it up. We've seen that happen a lot this summer.

[Raph]

Sad that Judd is gone. And the end of Juddessie too seems like

[DrunkerThanMoses]

King Judd makes front page

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Hopefully he is training and keeping his cool for his return this Thursday

Good odds to return I think

I think Candice will throw it, I dont think she would want to return to that hell hole

Elissa will throw it if she is evicted as she dont want to be there

Hopefully Helen is blindsided if evicted and she is too much of a emotional wreck to win

Between him and Jessie I think, and she owes him one giving her the veto 2 weeks ago.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Him and Jessie totally had sex in Jury

Hugging princess elissa and basically saying sorry when he returned as well

[Donovan.]

The Royal Family of BBUSA

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Originally Posted by Donovan81996

The Royal Family of BBUSA

King and Queen might be split up again

Still have the princess to work with hopefully