[Z]

Really need to watch this when/if it becomes available online.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

A mistake they made 5 times. Their child already told them they were left scared and crying on night 4, yet they repeated the occurrence on night 5.

That's selfishness plain and simple.

Also because, did they need to wine and dine each and every night of the holiday? They couldn't spare just one night to stay in with the kids?

its not easy being a parent, good parents will know this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its not easy being a parent, good parents will know this.

No one said it's easy. But not leaving babies alone in a foreign country is common sense in my book.

Even if you take the threat of kidnap out of the equation, all kinds of accidents could have taken place. What if the crying kid came to look for you and wandered out onto the street (as the apartment wasn't securely locked either)?

[Jemal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

you are being rude, agree to disagree.

How. I have said nothing directed AT YOU. Everything i have said is about the posts you have been making. If your gonna say ive been rude about your posts then so be it.. But if you say I have been rude to YOU, sorry I won't have that cause i know i haven't been rude to you AT ALL.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Zee

Really need to watch this when/if it becomes available online.

Me too.

[Jemal]

Lord knows why they couldn't AT LEAST Get a takeaway and a wine and just have it while the kids were asleep. Then they could get down to business in the bedroom to pass the night away *shrugs*

[user104658]

A mistake is something done accidentally. Leaving their children alone like that was a decision, not a mistake. If it had just been the once I could possibly put it down to being a (seriously) bad judgement call. Good parents can make stupid decisions.


HOWEVER - she asked them where they were the night before, told them that they had been crying, and they CHOSE to go out and do it again?? That's so selfish and emotionally neglectful that it's actually vile. It's genuinely uncaring and cruel. "We know you were upset and crying last night honey but hey, who gives a ****, we're going out again because it's our holiday and we want to ".

That's not just "bad parenting", that's being a nasty, ****ty person in general. Any adult who would willingly leave a child alone like that again AFTER being told that they were scared and crying the last time - be that their parent or not - is an absolute scumbag.

[GypsyGoth]

It'll be on here, but not sure when http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ch_14_10_2013/

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Jemal

How. I have said nothing directed AT YOU. Everything i have said is about the posts you have been making. If your gonna say ive been rude about your posts then so be it.. But if you say I have been rude to YOU, sorry I won't have that cause i know i haven't been rude to you AT ALL.

if you think my posts are crap, you think im talking crap and posting this you are being rude.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

It'll be on here, but not sure when http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ch_14_10_2013/

You should watch it GG,very interesting

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A mistake is something done accidentally. Leaving their children alone like that was a decision, not a mistake. If it had just been the once I could possibly put it down to being a (seriously) bad judgement call. Good parents can make stupid decisions.


HOWEVER - she asked them where they were the night before, told them that they had been crying, and they CHOSE to go out and do it again?? That's so selfish and emotionally neglectful that it's actually vile. It's genuinely uncaring and cruel. "We know you were upset and crying last night honey but hey, who gives a ****, we're going out again because it's our holiday and we want to ".

That's not just "bad parenting", that's being a nasty, ****ty person in general. Any adult who would willingly leave a child alone like that again AFTER being told that they were scared and crying the last time - be that their parent or not - is an absolute scumbag.

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

its not easy being a parent, good parents will know this.

Yes. Good parents know that it's not easy being a parent, and therefore accept that when they go on holiday with their young children, they won't be able to go out at night and leave them unattended. That's WHY it isn't easy.

If you just carry on living like a couple with no kids, taking their safety and happiness for granted, and pop out with your mates for a meal leaving them alone - then parenting DOES sound pretty "easy".

And then it ends like this.

Good parenting isn't easy because good parents sacrifice things like social gatherings in order to look after their kids.

[Jemal]

Man i give up. Whatever.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

I have kids. I know they wake up and cry. And that's why I'm never more than 2 rooms away to go and comfort them.

Are you seriously saying "kids wake up and cry" and so it's OK for you to be nowhere to be found? Possibly not coming back for HALF AN HOUR? They can just deal with it, accept that they are alone (in a strange bed, in another country no less) and that's fine?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

Kids waking up terrified because they're alone in a house is something very different.

Crying because of a nightmare you can't control, crying because they're in strange surroundings.

Madeleine was left alone with TWO BABIES. There's no excuse. As Madeleine herself said, she didn't even know where the parents were. She wasn't to know they were just around the corner having a nice time, it's cruel.

[Brother Leon]

It wasn't a mistake. It was **** parenting. In fact, if by some miracle she was found alive they shouldn't get her back as their **** parenting put her in danger int he first place. I would never leave my niece alone when looking after her and go out for more than an hour or so at night and If I did my sister certainly would not see it as some sort of honest mistake..she would knock the stuffing out of me lol.

[Z]

I haven't seen the program yet but have been reading the responses in here... why are they letting all of this dirty laundry be aired for the sake of a TV program that in all likelihood isn't going to achieve anything because the crime was committed 6 years ago? All I can think is that they want people to hate them so that they keep talking about them. Bizarre, they're seeking negative attention.

[Kazanne]

I could never enjoy a meal and drinks with friends if my 3 babies were alone and I could never do it especially in a foreign country where the people around them are strangers,,I flap when my little one is in his cot asleep and I hang the washing out.

[Vicky.]

I honestly dont understand why the lot of them took the kids at all if they wanted it to be an adults holiday...which they obviously did given what they did.

If I wanted to go on holiday with friends and go out every night, I would leave the kids with grandparents/family. Not just abandon the kids alone when I fancied it. And if there was noone to watch them, I either wouldn't go, or I would sacrifice my nights on the piss. And I would hope all other parents would have the sense to do the same..obviously not

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

There should always be someone there to comfort them though. Yes kids wake up and cry, but it is unreasonable to expect them to just cry themselves back to sleep because you are out having a good time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly dont understand why the lot of them took the kids at all if they wanted it to be an adults holiday...which they obviously did given what they did.

If I wanted to go on holiday with friends and go out every night, I would leave the kids with grandparents/family. Not just abandon the kids alone when I fancied it. And if there was noone to watch them, I either wouldn't go, or I would sacrifice my nights on the piss. And I would hope all other parents would have the sense to do the same..obviously not

Exactly - if you want a family holiday, go on a family holiday, and spend it doing the usual family stuff you would do at home (unless they were in the habit of popping out to the pub and leaving them at home alone? God knows...).

IF you want a holiday as a couple (which I personally think is a bit much to expect when you have 3 kids under the age of 3 anyway, but maybe that's just me) then just bloody admit it and either ask a family member, or pay a nanny, to look after them for a week at home.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly dont understand why the lot of them took the kids at all if they wanted it to be an adults holiday...which they obviously did given what they did.

If I wanted to go on holiday with friends and go out every night, I would leave the kids with grandparents/family. Not just abandon the kids alone when I fancied it. And if there was noone to watch them, I either wouldn't go, or I would sacrifice my nights on the piss. And I would hope all other parents would have the sense to do the same..obviously not

I agree. That would have been better.

[Jemal]

I'm not a parent yet but even i know the rights and wrongs.. I cannot with the posts I've been reading, basically defending the parens lol.

[Vicky.]

Youtube video

For greg, and claudia, and anyone else who missed it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jemal

I'm not a parent yet but even i know the rights and wrongs.. I cannot with the posts I've been reading, basically defending the parens lol.

I find the excuses for them ridiculous but, me and my partner ran a parenting forum for nearly 4 years and genuinely nothing surprises me any more. I've seen people genuinely, sincerely, discussing something called "monitor minding" - which is, essentially, leaving a baby or toddler alone in your house and going out, with a neighbour keeping a baby monitor. This is somehow considered acceptable. People also manage to defend things like locking toddlers in a room screaming until they fall asleep huddled in a ball next to the door. That's not cruel either apparently.

When people started defending the practice of sedating perfectly healthy children on long-haul flights... we just gave up and shut the whole forum down. I just don't understand people, at all.

And that's why I have absolutely no problem believing that the McCanns tried sedating their kids (probably because she told them they'd woken up crying the night before), she woke up, fell and died, and they covered it up. There are huge amounts of forensic evidence that support this; evidence of pooled blood in the apartment, evidence of a dead body in the apartment, evidence of a dead body on one of Madeleine's toys and a t-shirt (and Kate McCann's clothing), evidence of blood and a body in their rental car. I'm sick of hearing about it.

I'm devastated for poor Maddie, whose life was undoubtedly cut tragically short, but it enrages me that however you look at it the whole thing is just another story of selfishness and neglect. The media won't admit it because it's "unthinkable" that two white, middle class, high income doctors fall into this category... even if the above theory isn't true.