[Z]

Really need to watch this when/if it becomes available online.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Zee

Really need to watch this when/if it becomes available online.

Me too.

[Jemal]

Lord knows why they couldn't AT LEAST Get a takeaway and a wine and just have it while the kids were asleep. Then they could get down to business in the bedroom to pass the night away *shrugs*

[user104658]

A mistake is something done accidentally. Leaving their children alone like that was a decision, not a mistake. If it had just been the once I could possibly put it down to being a (seriously) bad judgement call. Good parents can make stupid decisions.


HOWEVER - she asked them where they were the night before, told them that they had been crying, and they CHOSE to go out and do it again?? That's so selfish and emotionally neglectful that it's actually vile. It's genuinely uncaring and cruel. "We know you were upset and crying last night honey but hey, who gives a ****, we're going out again because it's our holiday and we want to ".

That's not just "bad parenting", that's being a nasty, ****ty person in general. Any adult who would willingly leave a child alone like that again AFTER being told that they were scared and crying the last time - be that their parent or not - is an absolute scumbag.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A mistake is something done accidentally. Leaving their children alone like that was a decision, not a mistake. If it had just been the once I could possibly put it down to being a (seriously) bad judgement call. Good parents can make stupid decisions.


HOWEVER - she asked them where they were the night before, told them that they had been crying, and they CHOSE to go out and do it again?? That's so selfish and emotionally neglectful that it's actually vile. It's genuinely uncaring and cruel. "We know you were upset and crying last night honey but hey, who gives a ****, we're going out again because it's our holiday and we want to ".

That's not just "bad parenting", that's being a nasty, ****ty person in general. Any adult who would willingly leave a child alone like that again AFTER being told that they were scared and crying the last time - be that their parent or not - is an absolute scumbag.

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

I have kids. I know they wake up and cry. And that's why I'm never more than 2 rooms away to go and comfort them.

Are you seriously saying "kids wake up and cry" and so it's OK for you to be nowhere to be found? Possibly not coming back for HALF AN HOUR? They can just deal with it, accept that they are alone (in a strange bed, in another country no less) and that's fine?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

Kids waking up terrified because they're alone in a house is something very different.

Crying because of a nightmare you can't control, crying because they're in strange surroundings.

Madeleine was left alone with TWO BABIES. There's no excuse. As Madeleine herself said, she didn't even know where the parents were. She wasn't to know they were just around the corner having a nice time, it's cruel.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

There should always be someone there to comfort them though. Yes kids wake up and cry, but it is unreasonable to expect them to just cry themselves back to sleep because you are out having a good time.

[GypsyGoth]

It'll be on here, but not sure when http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ch_14_10_2013/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

It'll be on here, but not sure when http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ch_14_10_2013/

You should watch it GG,very interesting

[Jemal]

Man i give up. Whatever.

[Brother Leon]

It wasn't a mistake. It was **** parenting. In fact, if by some miracle she was found alive they shouldn't get her back as their **** parenting put her in danger int he first place. I would never leave my niece alone when looking after her and go out for more than an hour or so at night and If I did my sister certainly would not see it as some sort of honest mistake..she would knock the stuffing out of me lol.

[Z]

I haven't seen the program yet but have been reading the responses in here... why are they letting all of this dirty laundry be aired for the sake of a TV program that in all likelihood isn't going to achieve anything because the crime was committed 6 years ago? All I can think is that they want people to hate them so that they keep talking about them. Bizarre, they're seeking negative attention.

[Kazanne]

I could never enjoy a meal and drinks with friends if my 3 babies were alone and I could never do it especially in a foreign country where the people around them are strangers,,I flap when my little one is in his cot asleep and I hang the washing out.

[Vicky.]

I honestly dont understand why the lot of them took the kids at all if they wanted it to be an adults holiday...which they obviously did given what they did.

If I wanted to go on holiday with friends and go out every night, I would leave the kids with grandparents/family. Not just abandon the kids alone when I fancied it. And if there was noone to watch them, I either wouldn't go, or I would sacrifice my nights on the piss. And I would hope all other parents would have the sense to do the same..obviously not

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly dont understand why the lot of them took the kids at all if they wanted it to be an adults holiday...which they obviously did given what they did.

If I wanted to go on holiday with friends and go out every night, I would leave the kids with grandparents/family. Not just abandon the kids alone when I fancied it. And if there was noone to watch them, I either wouldn't go, or I would sacrifice my nights on the piss. And I would hope all other parents would have the sense to do the same..obviously not

Exactly - if you want a family holiday, go on a family holiday, and spend it doing the usual family stuff you would do at home (unless they were in the habit of popping out to the pub and leaving them at home alone? God knows...).

IF you want a holiday as a couple (which I personally think is a bit much to expect when you have 3 kids under the age of 3 anyway, but maybe that's just me) then just bloody admit it and either ask a family member, or pay a nanny, to look after them for a week at home.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I honestly dont understand why the lot of them took the kids at all if they wanted it to be an adults holiday...which they obviously did given what they did.

If I wanted to go on holiday with friends and go out every night, I would leave the kids with grandparents/family. Not just abandon the kids alone when I fancied it. And if there was noone to watch them, I either wouldn't go, or I would sacrifice my nights on the piss. And I would hope all other parents would have the sense to do the same..obviously not

I agree. That would have been better.

[Jemal]

I'm not a parent yet but even i know the rights and wrongs.. I cannot with the posts I've been reading, basically defending the parens lol.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jemal

I'm not a parent yet but even i know the rights and wrongs.. I cannot with the posts I've been reading, basically defending the parens lol.

I find the excuses for them ridiculous but, me and my partner ran a parenting forum for nearly 4 years and genuinely nothing surprises me any more. I've seen people genuinely, sincerely, discussing something called "monitor minding" - which is, essentially, leaving a baby or toddler alone in your house and going out, with a neighbour keeping a baby monitor. This is somehow considered acceptable. People also manage to defend things like locking toddlers in a room screaming until they fall asleep huddled in a ball next to the door. That's not cruel either apparently.

When people started defending the practice of sedating perfectly healthy children on long-haul flights... we just gave up and shut the whole forum down. I just don't understand people, at all.

And that's why I have absolutely no problem believing that the McCanns tried sedating their kids (probably because she told them they'd woken up crying the night before), she woke up, fell and died, and they covered it up. There are huge amounts of forensic evidence that support this; evidence of pooled blood in the apartment, evidence of a dead body in the apartment, evidence of a dead body on one of Madeleine's toys and a t-shirt (and Kate McCann's clothing), evidence of blood and a body in their rental car. I'm sick of hearing about it.

I'm devastated for poor Maddie, whose life was undoubtedly cut tragically short, but it enrages me that however you look at it the whole thing is just another story of selfishness and neglect. The media won't admit it because it's "unthinkable" that two white, middle class, high income doctors fall into this category... even if the above theory isn't true.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I find the excuses for them ridiculous but, me and my partner ran a parenting forum for nearly 4 years and genuinely nothing surprises me any more. I've seen people genuinely, sincerely, discussing something called "monitor minding" - which is, essentially, leaving a baby or toddler alone in your house and going out, with a neighbour keeping a baby monitor. This is somehow considered acceptable. People also manage to defend things like locking toddlers in a room screaming until they fall asleep huddled in a ball next to the door. That's not cruel either apparently.

When people started defending the practice of sedating perfectly healthy children on long-haul flights... we just gave up and shut the whole forum down. I just don't understand people, at all.

And that's why I have absolutely no problem believing that the McCanns tried sedating their kids (probably because she told them they'd woken up crying the night before), she woke up, fell and died, and they covered it up. There are huge amounts of forensic evidence that support this; evidence of pooled blood in the apartment, evidence of a dead body in the apartment, evidence of a dead body on one of Madeleine's toys and a t-shirt (and Kate McCann's clothing), evidence of blood and a body in their rental car. I'm sick of hearing about it.

I'm devastated for poor Maddie, whose life was undoubtedly cut tragically short, but it enrages me that however you look at it the whole thing is just another story of selfishness and neglect. The media won't admit it because it's "unthinkable" that two white, middle class, high income doctors fall into this category... even if the above theory isn't true.

I agree, in fact I have said this in earlier posts, I think it was a tragic accident that has grown into this sad saga , if the parents keep trying to convince the world and it's dog that Maddie was abducted then perhaps they might convince themselves that's what happened.

But I think there is substantial circumstantial evidence that supports the accidental death theory.

Very sad for the parents , a bit of a living nightmare with no end in sight for the McCanns , sadly this will never end even when the trust fund money runs out..!!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I find the excuses for them ridiculous but, me and my partner ran a parenting forum for nearly 4 years and genuinely nothing surprises me any more. I've seen people genuinely, sincerely, discussing something called "monitor minding" - which is, essentially, leaving a baby or toddler alone in your house and going out, with a neighbour keeping a baby monitor. This is somehow considered acceptable. People also manage to defend things like locking toddlers in a room screaming until they fall asleep huddled in a ball next to the door. That's not cruel either apparently.

When people started defending the practice of sedating perfectly healthy children on long-haul flights... we just gave up and shut the whole forum down. I just don't understand people, at all.

And that's why I have absolutely no problem believing that the McCanns tried sedating their kids (probably because she told them they'd woken up crying the night before), she woke up, fell and died, and they covered it up. There are huge amounts of forensic evidence that support this; evidence of pooled blood in the apartment, evidence of a dead body in the apartment, evidence of a dead body on one of Madeleine's toys and a t-shirt (and Kate McCann's clothing), evidence of blood and a body in their rental car. I'm sick of hearing about it.

I'm devastated for poor Maddie, whose life was undoubtedly cut tragically short, but it enrages me that however you look at it the whole thing is just another story of selfishness and neglect. The media won't admit it because it's "unthinkable" that two white, middle class, high income doctors fall into this category... even if the above theory isn't true.

the top police in the country have investigated this with a fine tooth comb, do you think if there was the slightest piece of evidence that would make the parents suspects they would go thru with the crime watch program

to say this crime is being covered up because they are white middle class is an absolute joke on your part.

[Vicky.]

Youtube video

For greg, and claudia, and anyone else who missed it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Youtube video

For greg, and claudia, and anyone else who missed it.

Oh thanks Vicky, I'm going to watch this later

[Vanessa]

I think accidental death is a possibility.

[Jemal]

So there's no chance Madeleine is alive?