[Crimson Dynamo]

LT has Power

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

LT has Power

Farage gets another vote.

[Nedusa]

Watched this debate and again Farage won easily despite the constant jibes from Clegg with regard to Putin, give it a fcuking rest Nick people can see through this nonsense . They are here to witness sensible adult debate not childish name calling .

But I guess with nothing really to say Clegg is scratching around for any advantage.

In my opinion Farage put the case for having a referendum and laid out the reasons we need as a nation to withdraw from this European farce.

Farage could do no more and put over the case for leaving Europe with passion and succinctness.

Clegg on the other hand has no answers to the charges made and continues to recite the same tired old mantra.

I'm not buying it and hopefully nor will the GBP come voting time.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Watched this debate and again Farage won easily despite the constant jibes from Clegg with regard to Putin, give it a fcuking rest Nick people can see through this nonsense . They are here to witness sensible adult debate not childish name calling .

But I guess with nothing really to say Clegg is scratching around for any advantage.

In my opinion Farage put the case for having a referendum and laid out the reasons we need as a nation to withdraw from this European farce.

Farage could do no more and put over the case for leaving Europe with passion and succinctness.

Clegg on the other hand has no answers to the charges made and continues to recite the same tired old mantra.

I'm not buying it and hopefully nor will the GBP come voting time.

Bang On Right

[arista]

Clegg Failed Again
and this time due to dear old David
he spoke longer and never got enough real points over.

Joey called this right
Clegg went off talking about Scotland
dear old David should have had a buzzer

[Pete.]

farage won tbh

[joeysteele]

While a great number of people will agree with Nigel Farage on the EU and it has to be admitted he believes he is right and makes his arguments well.
I personally hope anyone impressed as to the EU with UKIP look deeper at their other policies and don't just make a decision on their EU stance.

Really however, Nick Clegg was to me terrible tonight,he came across near desperate and had little reasoning at all as to his points.
Nigel Farage hammered Nick Clegg tonight.
That is really worrying,if the most pro EU leader of a party in the UK performs this badly on a subject he is passionate about then relevant arguments as to the EU that would be fair and balanced are never likely to take place in my view.

Both Conservative and Labour who have both presided over Govts. led by them that have involved treaty changes and in the case of the Conservatives taking the UK into Europe in the first place.
Well, they both need to sort themselves out and be responsible with the electorate of the UK as to the EU.
David Cameron should not play around with the issue of the EU as he is,he has left this festering for over 18 months now and isn't going to even set out to do anything unless he gets an overall majority.
That is ridiculous, all PM's and Govts. should always during all their time in power be looking at getting better deals for the UK, not lay conditions down for doing so.

I also believe that Labour and Ed Miliband would be wiser to also seek to negotiate some reforms and a better deal, maybe even acknowledge a need for a referendum too.
It is time the 2 main parties,especially after seeing Clegg's dismal failure tonight again, set out to work more together as to Europe and take the momentum on the issue away from Farage and UKIP.

For me, Clegg made a massive mistake in challenging Nigel Farage to these debates,he has been given a platform he likely could only have dreamed off until Clegg's public challenge.
The word that is sticking with a good few people I have spoken too during and since this debate is that Clegg came across as lying.
Clegg has massively underestimated Nigel Farage and both the Conservatives and Labour would now do well to learn from that if only as to the EU issue.

I honestly can see.no matter what David Cameron may have got were he to miraculously win the next election with the overall majority he would need to get a referendum bill through parliament, that in such a referendum he would be strongly risking sleepwalking the UK into leaving the EU.

Both the main parties have to try to find some concensus and lay this issue to bed,especially after these debates.
Nick Clegg has piled more pressure on David Cameron by having these debates and has also put Ed Miliband in a tricky spot too.
Nick Clegg has not in my view, done the UK electorate and indeed also those not able to vote yet, any favours at all by taking part in them.

Full marks to Nigel Farage,he was formidable and Cleggs personal attacks came across as really cheap and quite frankly pathetic too.

[arista]

"Full marks to Nigel Farage,he was formidable and Cleggs personal attacks came across as really cheap and quite frankly pathetic too."


Bang On Right Joey

[joeysteele]

I'd agree Nedusa,however in my view it is David Cameron who foolishly propelled the EU issue to the forefront with his problems in his own party as to the EU.

Had he not done so,I think it unlikely that Nick Clegg would have created this monster he has in politics as to challenging for these debates and thereby coming off as a dismal failure in both.

Without either David Cameron's procrastinated referendum plans and neither of these debates taking place at all thanks to Clegg.
I think it likely that UKIP would have stumbled along largely as it had been before and not be now in this much higher position as 'leading' an argument as to an issue of British politics.

Big mistakes,both of them I think anyway.

[the truth]

clegg is a scumbag

[Nedusa]

What's the betting Cameron will form another Coalition with Clegg

Slim chance and No chance..... and Slim's out of town

[Pete.]

I reckon coalition with Farage - people pleasing ofc

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

What's the betting Cameron will form another Coalition with Clegg

Slim chance and No chance..... and Slim's out of town

No chance I think Nedusa,because I firstly cannot see the Conservatives as being even the largest party in 2015 and even if they were, I don't see the Lib Dems having enough seats to give them an overall majority.
Secondly,I see Nick Clegg as the problem now, the voters likely don't believe much, if indeed anything, that Clegg says.

Really the Lib Dems, to pick up any of their lost votes, should have replaced Nick Clegg before the 2015 election, he has in my view virtually no 'political' credibility or integrity left.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No chance I think Nedusa,because I firstly cannot see the Conservatives as being even the largest party in 2015 and even if they were, I don't see the Lib Dems having enough seats to give them an overall majority.
Secondly,I see Nick Clegg as the problem now, the voters likely don't believe much, if indeed anything, that Clegg says.

Really the Lib Dems, to pick up any of their lost votes, should have replaced Nick Clegg before the 2015 election, he has in my view virtually no 'political' credibility or integrity left.

I agree, in fact I struggle to see where the Lib Dems go now as a major Political Party. Their leader Nick Clegg is history, his reputation is tarnished beyond redemption.

But as a political force I wonder where they can go from here. They have no realistic policies but rather a mishmash of outdated ideals where they try to appeal to everyone but end up alienating everyone.

Perhaps UKIP will form the next coalition , question is who with ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT has Power

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

LT has Power

Farage picking up votes in this thread.

[michael21]

i bet no in this thread will vote

[arista]

[Nedusa]

What's the difference between Bin Laden and Nick Clegg?

One's a treacherous, dangerous c_unt who brought fear to millions of people with his threats and promises,

and the other's Bin Laden.

[arista]

right hand side of the paper Farage

[arista]

Are you In or Out
or do you Shake It All About

[Crimson Dynamo]

Clegg used the same "fear" tactics last night as Cameron does to Scotland with independence and they are highly patronising and desperate

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Clegg used the same "fear" tactics last night as Cameron does to Scotland with independence and they are highly patronising and desperate

convinced this is a fake

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Petemitch

convinced this is a fake

http://irishelectionliterature.wordp...ion-ukip-2010/

[the truth]

the debate is meant to be on europe yet clegg in his desperation started pandering and patronising to women and gay rights.....which had chuff all to do with the topic at hand. he then tried to paint farrage as a bolshovik for his alleged comments about puting being a good strategist (or words to that effect) meanwhile clegg is gung ho and backed libyan and syrian invasions (probably backed iraq too) clegg doesnt mind bombing innocent people with flimsy evidence and even flimsier reason for doing so....yet gets all upset about a comment about putin? thats before we even get started on tuition fees etc
his smug war mongering double talking false sanctimonious gibberish sickenes me to death, hes the kind of idiot who demands democracy then bans everyone from having an opinion that contradicts his.