[Crimson Dynamo]

I think unless we know the reasons why the girls gave him a doing then its all just conjecture

as i have said he may have started it for all we know

[Josy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well I am one who has done that,because although this is an attack on someone, which is the issue, the person also happens to be homeless.
Had he not been homeless then this thread as to his attack would likely not even need to exist as to him.
They themseleves who attacked him made reference to him being homeless and not working by saying get a job.

It is all well and good to condemn the act of the assault and those who did it. however as I myself do on most things you also look at the bigger picture too.

Surely the right thing to do is not to accept that this should be something that should be in nay shape or form accepted because there have always been homeless people.

However being homeless is a very relevant part of this issue since the guy was homeless and clearly it seems his attackers knew he was too by saying get a job.

So,I feel it is correct to look at what may be the best solution to ending such attacks, so I look for how to do that.
One thing I don't believe helps in any shape or form is to actually preside over having even more homeless people at the mercy of these mindless attackers.

How is there more homeless recently on the streets,there you have to look at the big picture again and this Govt,I am sorry for repeating myself, has by its social policies crerated more homeless thorugh benefit reform and the bedroon tax.
2 things which are indeed very relevant to homeless people and maybe even this victim.

So while I 100% agree, the people and the issues are the atatckers and the homeless victim.
To comment on that with no expansion for what may be in some part of the reasons behind such an attack would mean that apart from 2 lines of condemning the atatck and the atatckers and hoping the victim is okay after it.
There would with the fullest respect be nothing else to say and this would have been a very dead thread in effect.

Govts are there and elected to, govern and protect the people of this country.
Clearly as in the case of several other govts, this one does nothing to address same.
In fact it is adding to their numbers which is my point and one which I stand by 100%.

This attack was completely wrong and criminal but unless you start to reduce the numbers of homeless or ensure they can be as as safe as they can be, then such attacks are likely to increase against these vulnerable people.
The people with the 'real' power to address that and force a difference is the Govt. of the day so to make reference to that govt. is in my opinion perfectly relevant,with the fullest and due respect.

I completely understand the point you and others are making with the homeless issue Joey I just don't see it as something connected with this incident.

I know the man attacked was homeless but like I said previously I honestly think it was a case of him being in the wrong place at the wrong time and that these girls would have picked on anyone because they were filled with drink and as stated in the article doing a pub crawl so they were basically walking up and down streets going from pub to pub he was just the unfortunate one that was along the path they were on not to mention the fact that this particular pub crawl has been known in previous years for causing a lot of anti social behaviour anyway.

In reply to your comment that they specifically knew he was homeless, I'm guessing it was due to where he was, what he was wearing and the fact he actually asked them for spare change?

The police are responsible for putting a stop to behaviour like this or at the very least finding the people responsible and punishing them accordingly.

[Verbal]

Typical behaviour for Redbirds, sadly

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Josy

I completely understand the point you and others are making with the homeless issue Joey I just don't see it as something connected with this incident.

I know the man attacked was homeless but like I said previously I honestly think it was a case of him being in the wrong place at the wrong time and that these girls would have picked on anyone because they were filled with drink and as stated in the article doing a pub crawl so they were basically walking up and down streets going from pub to pub he was just the unfortunate one that was along the path they were on not to mention the fact that this particular pub crawl has been known in previous years for causing a lot of anti social behaviour anyway.

In reply to your comment that they specifically knew he was homeless, I'm guessing it was due to where he was, what he was wearing and the fact he actually asked them for spare change?

The police are responsible for putting a stop to behaviour like this or at the very least finding the people responsible and punishing them accordingly.

I have no problem with agreeing with just about all you say above,usually I do anyway.

I am however someone who does think the police are relied on too much to deal with these problems and ever increasing numbers of homeless are not going to help them at all.
If in fact however,(it is a solid fact), that had this man had not been homeless then he would not have been where he was,the way he was and this attack on him would probably not have taken place.

So I do see homelessness here as a very relevant issue. Other people don't but I do and I believe I am right to say what I feel as all others are too.
My take on this is more needs to be done to protect and reduce the number of homeless not add to the problem,so that attacks like this one on someone who is homeless have little chance to happen.
You and I cannot do anything about that, we'd need power to be able to,so who does have the power to create the right environment and deal with the issue.
Sorry but for me that goes back to the Government of the day's door.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I understand you don't think that's a societal issue... understand I do.

I didn't say it was not a societal issue. I said it was not new.

[Josy]

Kizzy stop bringing stuff up involving comments that have already been cleaned from the thread, thanks

[Kizzy]

Sorry, the comment was there josy, otherwise I wouldn't have been able to quote it, you must have removed it as I was posting.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lily.

I didn't say it was not a societal issue. I said it was not new.

Ok, what I mean is I know you're saying it's a random act rather than a collective mindset against the homeless.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

All true. And when the Conservatives are out and Labour are back in, as usually happens, there will still be a problem with homelessness, only the same people criticising now will be mysteriously quiet.

The rise in homelessness could be attributed to lots of things, I think the open borders policy has quite a lot to do with it. Many of the homeless people I see in London on a regular basis are eastern European, there has been a noticeable rise in people from there living on the streets.

I won't be Livia,you can be 100% sure that if nothing is done to try to eradicate these mindless attacks on the vulnerable and especially like on this homeless victim.
Also to show more compassion as to policy of dealing with the homeless, that I will be as forceful against Labour,(even if I have supported them), as I am against this govt.

[Kizzy]

I can't see any evidence for that seeing as homelessness fell consistently for 6yrs before the conservatives came to power and began their ruthless regime of cutting funding and removing safeguards for vulnerable groups.
It doesn't detract from how brutal and wrong this attack was, it doesn't justify violence however many folk are on the streets or where they are from, it's totally irrelevant here...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I won't be Livia,you can be 100% sure that if nothing is done to try to eradicate these mindless attacks on the vulnerable and especially like on this homeless victim.
Also to show more compassion as to policy of dealing with the homeless, that I will be as forceful against Labour,(even if I have supported them), as I am against this govt.

I have no doubt you will speak the truth as you see it joey. In fact, I have faith in that.

Even if Labour has still been in now, the homeless figure would have risen - as I said earlier in this thread - because of the open door policy at our borders. There is a very noticeable rise in eastern European people living on the street in London. It's a problem that successive governments have failed to address and they simply blame it on each other without making any inroads in addressing it.

[Kizzy]

That can only be assumed, as it fell consistently for 6yrs there is no evidence to say it would have risen under the previous government is there?
There are many homeless from all walks of life, as said it doesn't go anyway to justifying any attack however many are homeless in the capital.
This government has not only failed those already homeless but added to that over the previous year due the changes to housing benefit and welfare policy.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ok, what I mean is I know you're saying it's a random act rather than a collective mindset against the homeless.

Yes, basically. I think there has always been and will always be thugs who think it is okay to go around assaulting people, regardless of whether they are homeless, or just passers-by.

I have never assaulted or abused a homeless person, and I still wouldn't, no matter how the government behaves. I think it is basically down to whether you are a decent person or not. These girls are clearly not decent people, sadly.

[Kizzy]

Clearly, thing is for me it's the socio economic group, the language and the gender combined that makes this scary to me.

[lily.]

It might be a sexist thing to say, but I find it worrying that so many girls are acting this way. It seems to be commonplace nowadays.

I would be interested to know if these girls were charged for this, and if there were any 'sexual battery' charges brought. Can you imagine the reaction had this been 3 men against a woman..