[Ammi]

..hmm, so in a group situation in something like a playground..the group sitting around and mocking people’s appearance/calling names/insulting an individual and the rest of the group smiling or just sitting there and being part of it is the same thing and on the same level as someone letting off steam to a friend or ‘confidante’ about what they think about that group of people for what they’re doing and how they make people feel with their ‘honesty’....in that playground situation, no it wouldn’t be at all and nor should it.....most people 'bitch' but most people don't think they have the right to insult people to their faces with such arrogance and disregard for anyone's feelings ....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..hmm, so in a group situation in something like a playground..the group sitting around and mocking people’s appearance/calling names/insulting an individual and the rest of the group smiling or just sitting there and being part of it is the same thing and on the same level as someone letting off steam to a friend or ‘confidante’ about what they think about that group of people for what they’re doing and how they make people feel with their ‘honesty’....in that playground situation, no it wouldn’t be at all and nor should it.....most people 'bitch' but most people don't think they have the right to insult people to their faces with such arrogance and disregard for anyone's feelings ....

Apparently they think it's the same thing only Ashleigh is worse! They won't change their minds.
Great post once again Ammi...

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..hmm, so in a group situation in something like a playground..the group sitting around and mocking people’s appearance/calling names/insulting an individual and the rest of the group smiling or just sitting there and being part of it is the same thing and on the same level as someone letting off steam to a friend or ‘confidante’ about what they think about that group of people for what they’re doing and how they make people feel with their ‘honesty’....in that playground situation, no it wouldn’t be at all and nor should it.....most people 'bitch' but most people don't think they have the right to insult people to their faces with such arrogance and disregard for anyone's feelings ....

The others in there don't bitch about the others like these two.

If Helen has a problem with someone she will tell them to their face, as you are about to see on Ch 5

Ashleigh would pull Danielle into the bedroom bitch about it to her, and then sneakily plant the issue into other peoples heads.

Helen is brazen, Ashleigh is calculating snake.

[Marsh.]

I never said Ashleigh was worse. Understand my posts before repeating them. Thanks.

I don't tend to change my opinions when someone explains their biased point of view.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by jet

Apparently they think it's the same thing only Ashleigh is worse! They won't change their minds.
Great post once again Ammi...

She is worse, she's bitter and a nasty little cow.

If either had a fight in a pub with someone, Helen would just punch them there and then.

Ashleigh would wait in a dark alley until the person was making their way home and then jump them from behind.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Verbal

The others in there don't bitch about the others like these two.

If Helen has a problem with someone she will tell them to their face, as you are about to see on Ch 5

Ashleigh would pull Danielle into the bedroom bitch about it to her, and then sneakily plant the issue into other peoples heads.

Helen is brazen, Ashleigh is calculating snake.

..I think that Helen seems to have a problem with a lot of people though...and probably she is the problem herself in her attitude that she'll 'hate' on anyone that doesn't support her miserable attitude....

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Verbal

She is worse, she's bitter and a nasty little cow.

If either had a fight in a pub with someone, Helen would just punch them there and then.

Ashleigh would wait in a dark alley until the person was making their way home and then jump them from behind.

..oh my, there's just no response to that, really...

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..oh my, there's just no response to that, really...

I think it is quite a good analogy that explains how they both are to be honest.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Verbal

She is worse, she's bitter and a nasty little cow.

If either had a fight in a pub with someone, Helen would just punch them there and then.

Ashleigh would wait in a dark alley until the person was making their way home and then jump them from behind.

Well said Verbs

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Verbal

She is worse, she's bitter and a nasty little cow.

If either had a fight in a pub with someone, Helen would just punch them there and then.

Ashleigh would wait in a dark alley until the person was making their way home and then jump them from behind.

When Ashleigh gets hauled into the diary room and warned twice for bullying behaviour and told one more strike and she's out, then she'll be worse.

Until that time Helen is worse.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by MrWong

When Ashleigh gets hauled into the diary room and warned twice for bullying behaviour and told one more strike and she's out, then she'll be worse.

Until that time Helen is worse.

As i've said, over and over - the only difference and the reason Helen gets in trouble for it is because she makes a show of it infront of the entire house. Ashleigh just sneakily does it in the background.

I'll say it one last time and i'm out of this conversation, it is just going around in circles.

THEY ARE BOTH ESSENTIALLY DOING THE SAME THING.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Verbal

As i've said, over and over - the only difference and the reason Helen gets in trouble for it is because she makes a show of it infront of the entire house. Ashleigh just sneakily does it in the background.

I'll say it one last time and i'm out of this conversation, it is just going around in circles.

THEY ARE BOTH ESSENTIALLY DOING THE SAME THING.

Nope. Ashleigh hasn't bullied anyone.

She's bitched (like we all do on here every day) big difference.

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf Ashleigh has given her more reason than any of the people she's actually picked on.....

Helen is well aware (said as much to HMs and in the DR) that this is exactly what Ashleigh wants, for evil old Helen to be seen shouting at or 'bullying' an 18 year old girl... Helens not stupid she knows Ashleighs game from when she befriended Toya was to wind her up and get a reaction, so like she said she now just treats her like an 18 year old child and doesnt rise to it. Which just irritates princess misery guts even more.

And while were at it Ashleigh is totally gutless, talks a good game but NEVER to the persons face whos shes slagging off.

[clao]

funny how helen says it as it is only when there's an audience of her goons around her, real brave by helen

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by clao

funny how helen says it as it is only when there's an audience of her goons around her, real brave by helen

there is always going to be someone around,they are locked in the house

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by clao

funny how helen says it as it is only when there's an audience of her goons around her, real brave by helen

When an open argument begins there's always going to be an audience for it.

They can hardly go for a walk to the shop can they?

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by clao

funny how helen says it as it is only when there's an audience of her goons around her, real brave by helen

It came up because Chris started talking about it, so your point is invalid. Also its a small house except 3 maybe 4 people most of them are together most of time, theres always an audience, unless you spend your time with the witches of eastwick in the pod.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

there is always going to be someone around,they are locked in the house

There wasn't anyone around when Kim took Marlon aside.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Not really. She's just argumentative.

[Jake.]

Helen's the typical playground bully, I for one wouldn't have her mimick my accent either (which she's done plenty of times).

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

When an open argument begins there's always going to be an audience for it.

They can hardly go for a walk to the shop can they?

She could easily remove herself and that person from the situation. Fact is, she loves an audience who will clap her on.

[clao]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Helen's the typical playground bully, I for one wouldn't have her mimick my accent either (which she's done plenty of times).

if ashleigh was indian then helen would have been out within a heartbeat so why not for doing the nothern irish accent?

[RodHull]

Originally Posted by Jake.

She could easily remove herself and that person from the situation. Fact is, she loves an audience who will clap her on.

Helen doesn't give a s**t who watches is more the point, she literally doesnt care. Shes a hard nosed ex hooker she couldn't give a **** if theres an audience or not if she has something to say she says it. As she said many times 'shes bored or worrying about peoples "emotions" or upsetting people' and frankly I would be to, they are all hyper sensitive.

+ Chrismas was talking out of his arse about his reasons for not picking those 3, he tried to be clever and tactical and it failed.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by clao

if ashleigh was indian then helen would have been out within a heartbeat so why not for doing the nothern irish accent?

Exactly what I was thinking, Marcus was given a warning for mimicking Sree was he not?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by RodHull

Helen doesn't give a s**t who watches is more the point, she literally doesnt care. Shes a hard nosed ex hooker she couldn't give a **** if theres an audience or not if she has something to say she says it. As she said many times 'shes bored or worrying about peoples "emotions" or upsetting people' and frankly I would be to, they are all hyper sensitive.

+ Chrismas was talking out of his arse about his reasons for not picking those 3, he tried to be clever and tactical and it failed.