[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don't think you're in any position to talk about predictable and disrespectful.

touche and away

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

you dont know them and you lack the backbone to say that. even if you knew your own values it shows significant cowardice to refrain from sharing them. especially when youre so quick to criticize some beliefs and values yet havent the courage to state any of your own values and beliefs.

I do know them.
I don't wish to share them as they are private between me and whoever.
i don't wish to influence anyone one way or another.
I haven't criticised anyone, whatever you chose to believe is your business not mine.

[Ramsay]

I call myself agnostic but i think i secretly lean more towards the atheist side
But really there will never be any concrete proof for or against the existance of 'god' in my lifetime anyway so i don't really think about it much. if i die and go to heaven, great. if i die and there's nothing..well i won't know so that's great too i guess. i'm not good at wording **** like this, hope it makes sense.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I do know them.
I don't wish to share them as they are private between me and whoever.
i don't wish to influence anyone one way or another.
I haven't criticised anyone, whatever you chose to believe is your business not mine.

theres absolutely no point you being on here if you arent sharing your opinions

[Achilles]

I hate people. Religion is just one of many reasons. When the aliens invade I will be eating popcorn. Or if they don't/can't invade, I will just have to make do with WW3. The world will always be a sh..hole until religion, war, money is eradicated and humans evolve.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Achilles

I hate people. Religion is just one of many reasons. When the aliens invade I will be eating popcorn. Or if they don't/can't invade, I will just have to make do with WW3. The world will always be a sh..hole until religion, war, money is eradicated and humans evolve.

hysterical twaddle

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

Yes because people will never argue without Christianity will they? before Christianity there were wars , endless wars, if it ended there would be wars endless wars. Clearly you think Jesus was a nasty man preaching some kind of hate that somehow lead to wars. Can you please outline how you come to this conclusion and ignored all the preaching on love truth forgiveness redemption enlightenment? Or were you just playing to the crowd for cheap laughs?

no one is talking about war, i am talking about telling children the truth as best we know it an according to the best peer reviewed minds

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

I call myself agnostic but i think i secretly lean more towards the atheist side
But really there will never be any concrete proof for or against the existance of 'god' in my lifetime anyway so i don't really think about it much. if i die and go to heaven, great. if i die and there's nothing..well i won't know so that's great too i guess. i'm not good at wording **** like this, hope it makes sense.

then you are agnostic about fairies, leprechauns, unicorns, The Mighty God Zod, Bigfoot, Bagpuss and many other things

in fact we all are

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I cannot believe all life happened by pure accident so I do believe in some 'mastermind' behind it all.
I come from a Catholic upbringing and although I moved back from a great deal that was taught to me from that, some elements of it I hold onto.

Taking only the Gospels, the words and actions attributed to Jesus, then I see little I could not desire from them.
The Christian ideals as set out by him as stated in those gospels are a very attractive scenario.
So I guess many of those Christian ideals in those Gospels I have taken on board as I go through life and try my best to 'reach out' and 'build up' others in accordance to that teaching as opposed to 'turning away' and 'bringing down' others.

I guess I am still really looking for faith as such but if you remove the other men's additions to much in the Bible and particularly the New Testament Gospels,then the small bits that are left are pretty good guides to a maybe possibly better and more fulfilled existence as to faith.

Its not by accident joey but by the laws of physics mainly and the chemical elements found in our universe. add that to a timespan that is almost incomprehensible and you will get life as we know it though natural selection.

and in time we will find that it has been replicated many, many times in the universe

[Niamh.]

I would say I'm agnostic, I don't know and I don't care. I live my life as good of a person as I can be because I like people, not for fear of being punished in the after life. Life is too short to waste on worshipping a God that may or may not exist imo

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

I call myself agnostic but i think i secretly lean more towards the atheist side
But really there will never be any concrete proof for or against the existance of 'god' in my lifetime anyway so i don't really think about it much. if i die and go to heaven, great. if i die and there's nothing..well i won't know so that's great too i guess. i'm not good at wording **** like this, hope it makes sense.

Pretty much how I think really

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I always think it's odd that 'non believers' spend so much time talking about something that can't be proved (because it's a faith) when they don't believe in things that can't be proved/bizarre....

well it's an interesting topic, don't you think? And for me personally, coming from a hugely Catholic country it's imposed itself on my life alot

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

theres absolutely no point you being on here if you arent sharing your opinions

I have given my opinion on religion.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its not by accident joey but by the laws of physics mainly and the chemical elements found in our universe. add that to a timespan that is almost incomprehensible and you will get life as we know it though natural selection.

and in time we will find that it has been replicated many, many times in the universe

This^

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I cannot believe all life happened by pure accident so I do believe in some 'mastermind' behind it all.
I come from a Catholic upbringing and although I moved back from a great deal that was taught to me from that, some elements of it I hold onto.

Taking only the Gospels, the words and actions attributed to Jesus, then I see little I could not desire from them.
The Christian ideals as set out by him as stated in those gospels are a very attractive scenario.
So I guess many of those Christian ideals in those Gospels I have taken on board as I go through life and try my best to 'reach out' and 'build up' others in accordance to that teaching as opposed to 'turning away' and 'bringing down' others.

I guess I am still really looking for faith as such but if you remove the other men's additions to much in the Bible and particularly the New Testament Gospels,then the small bits that are left are pretty good guides to a maybe possibly better and more fulfilled existence as to faith.

Basically if it says King James on the front throw it in the bin.

[Achilles]

Youtube video

[Marsh.]

A stand up routine from someone who doesn't actually understand 70% of what he's saying, is that supposed to contribute to the thread?

He seems to not understand the meaning of two little words; FREE WILL.