[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

So what? She used the wrong wording. Some presenters still say "up for nomination". He was part of a final vote that began on the Friday and led to him leaving on Wednesday. That same vote was frozen and re-opened afterwards. He was there fore part of a final vote with Nadia, Jason, Dan and Shell.

The "final vote" was actually Nadia vs Jason.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

She used the wrong wording for 11 years, Brian for 2 and Emma for 1 and now that Helen has a pass to the final we're finally correcting them all.

As I said, presenters are still saying "Up for nomination" to this day.

But no one in that time has ever defined what a pass to the final actually meant. The final begins, as far as I'm concerned, when the vote to win begins. It then goes on for however many days it goes on.

And did that free pass mean up to the final... Or did it mean she was in the final. No one has clarified any of this.

[Marsh.]

Presenters have only started saying "up for nomination" recently. The same time that the whole concept of BB has completely gone tits up on C5.

I'm no longer arguing about FACTS. The final is Friday 15th August. Anyone evicted before that date is not in the final, nor a finalist.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The "final vote" was actually Nadia vs Jason.

Don't be silly. Only true if they re-started after every freeze. Every vote cast counted towards Nadia winning including those that began on the days before.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Don't be silly. Only true if they re-started after every freeze. Every vote cast counted towards Nadia winning including those that began on the days before.

I'm not being silly, I'm being pedantic. Isn't that what this whole discussion is?

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Presenters have only started saying "up for nomination" recently.

I'm no longer arguing about FACTS. The final is Friday 15th August. Anyone evicted before that date is not in the final, nor a finalist.

Anyone involved in a vote to win is a finalist. The game is determind by a public vote and anyone involved in the final public vote is a finalist.

The question is whether or not they are going to open the lines on Friday and give them all a fair shot. Or whether there is going to be some absurd twist that leads to a potential winner being evicted during the week. Just to piss the viewers off one last time.

[Achilles]

BB gave Helen the pass. They can call the pass whatever they like. They can label whatever they like. There is nothing to stop them opening the VTW lines on Friday if they WANT to.

[bots]

All semantics

If the vote to win lines are opened, then the final has begun. So it lasts from the point the phone lines are opened until the winner is announced.

If 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 fall before the last minute of the voting, be it on a monday, a wednesday or a friday, its still the final.

By some peoples logic, the final is where the winner is announced, which can't be correct, therefore it must span the length of the voting period. Simple

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I'm not being silly, I'm being pedantic. Isn't that what this whole discussion is?

The discussion was meant to be about whether or not they will do some God awful twist on Friday and have another eviction rather than just do the Vote To Win like most people want them to.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If the vote to win lines are opened, then the final has begun.

Exactly

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

All semantics

If the vote to win lines are opened, then the final has begun. So it lasts from the point the phone lines are opened until the winner is announced.

If 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 fall before the last minute of the voting, be it on a monday, a wednesday or a friday, its still thefinal.

By some peoples logic, the final is where the winner is announced, which can't be correct, therefore it mast span the length of the voting period. Simple

I agree. The moment the vote to win starts, they are finalists.

[Marsh.]

Well Helen's pass has been described as both "a finalist" and a "pass to the final".

So she should be there for when the vote to win opens and also on the final night.

Therefore whenever that vote to win opens, nobody can leave until the last night. THE FINAL.

If they want an eviction prior to that, it must be that, an eviction and an entirely separate vote. However, Helen cannot be included in this vote as a "finalist" who holds a "pass to the final".

[Achilles]

Week 10 is the final week, the FINAL for short.
Friday 15th is the final night, the FINAL for short.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well Helen's pass has been described as both "a finalist" and a "pass to the final".

So she should be there for when the vote to win opens and also on the final night.

Therefore whenever that vote to win opens, nobody can leave until the last night. THE FINAL.

If they want an eviction prior to that, it must be that, an eviction and an entirely separate vote.

The pass doesn't dictate what decisions BB makes. They gave her the pass. They could remove it if they wanted to. They could give it to someone else if they wanted to.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

The pass doesn't dictate what decisions BB makes. They gave her the pass. They could remove it if they wanted to. They could give it to someone else if they wanted to.

We're working under the assumption her pass is still in place, which it is. As long as it stays in place, the rules I stated are in place.

Nobody has mentioned removing her pass. Removing it two days before the final would be rather pointless considering the myriad of twists they could've done with it weeks ago.

[Achilles]

Helen's pass = immunity from all votes to evict until the vote to win lines open.
Pass to the final. They didn't specify final night, the main purpose of the pass was to give her immunity from all evictions before the vote to win lines open.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well Helen's pass has been described as both "a finalist" and a "pass to the final".

So she should be there for when the vote to win opens and also on the final night.

Nope. She should be there to when the final begins. Which is when the vote to win begins. That's it.

If they want an eviction prior to that, it must be that, an eviction and an entirely separate vote. However, Helen cannot be included in this vote as a "finalist" who holds a "pass to the final".

Nope, it can be the person with the fewest votes to go. Helen was still a finalist. and that's what her free pass took her up to being.

Look, I just want them to open the vote to win and have no more evictions until Friday. I just don't want some final twist revolving around this issue taking out a potential winner. It would be ridiculous.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

We're working under the assumption her pass is still in place, which it is. As long as it stays in place, the rules I stated are in place.

Nobody has mentioned removing her pass. Removing it two days before the final would be rather pointless considering the myriad of twists they could've done with it weeks ago.

The final starts when the vote to win starts. That's what her free pass took her up to. From that point, it's up to her supporters. If she goes out in a midweek vote freeze, she was still a part of the final which is what her pass took her to.

And again, I just want a vote to win with no midweek vote freeze. I am sick of the twists and extra eviction taking out people who most of us now just want to get on with voting to win.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

The final starts when the vote to win starts. That's what her free pass took her up to. From that point, it's up to her supporters. If she goes out in a midweek vote freeze, she was still a part of the final which is what her pass took her to.

Wrong.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Wrong.

Yes, you are.

[AbbieJ]

Helen is in the final, you know the night when the winner is announced?

[Yaki da]

I hope the producers are reading this thread and recognize the correct thing to do...

Open the vote to win on Friday and have all 6 there for the final night. It's the easiest way to avoid any further complaints.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by AbbieJ

Helen is in the final, you know the night when the winner is announced?

Nope. The final is when the vote for the winner begins.

[AbbieJ]

Originally Posted by Yaki da

Nope. The final is when the vote for the winner begins.

Ohhhh well thats me told.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by AbbieJ

Ohhhh well thats me told.

Well, you've come in a bit late. I think we're all knackered discussing it.

But anyway, I'm just hoping they don't do some other twist that leads to a favourite getting evicted before a VTW opens. Open the VTW on Friday and have all 6 there the next Friday.