[Kizzy]

Nicola Sturgeon wants Ed to commit to her to lock Cameron out of westminster.

In terms that will enrage many MPs, Sturgeon throws down the gauntlet to the Labour leader, saying: “If together our parties have the parliamentary numbers required after 7 May, and regardless of which is the biggest party, will he and Labour join with us in locking David Cameron out of Downing Street?”

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...al-to-miliband

[Jøsh]

Can a mod sticky the thread?

[arista]

"We don't elect PMs arista, the parties elect their leaders,"


You know what I am talking about
John Major took over from Thatcher
and still beat the Welsh wind bag (a Election)
so the public Backed him.



Brown took over from War Monger Blair
but never had a Snap Election
so he was Never a Proper Voted in
by us as the PM
Fact.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"We don't elect PMs arista, the parties elect their leaders,"


You know what I am talking about
John Major took over from Thatcher
and still beat the Welsh wind bag (a Election)
so the public Backed him.



Brown took over from War Monger Blair
but never had a Snap Election
so he was Never a Proper Voted in
by us as the PM
Fact.

Well by the same token, Sir Alec Douglas-Home took over from Harold Mcmillan but never had an election until the very last minute which he then lost in 1964.
So was Alec Douglas-Home too not a legitimate PM in your eyes too then,if not then why not since the scenario is almost the same with Gordon Browns,except Harold Wilson and Labour got a tiny overall majority in that election, unlike David Cameron and the Conservatives in 2010.

In fact Winston Churchill stood down for Anthony Eden to take over before the election of 1955, then Anthony Eden stood down for harold Mcmillan to take over and he fought an election in 1959.

Then again as to Margaret Thatcher, she led her party to 3 election victories,thereby endorsed by the voters but the Conservative party,disgracefully and shamelessly the way they did so in my view, not the voters.

However John Major deposed Thatcher in 1990, he didn't call an election either until the very last minute in 1992, no snap election there either after a change of leader.

[Kizzy]

'These are the full quotes from Cameron when he was asked about lowering the 45p top rate of income tax earlier by Sky News in Witney, Oxfordshire.

It’s not our policy, it’s not our plan. Our plan is to raise to £12,500 the basic rate threshold so we take another million people out of income tax altogether and cut tax for 30 million people. That’s the plan. We’re also going to raise the 40p threshold to £50,000 because too many middle-income families are being pulled into that tax rate. Those are our plans and they are the ones we’ll pursue.'

Look at cameron trying to be all things to all men....pathetic!

[Jøsh]

Thanks to whoever stickied the thread.

[arista]

Yes but Brown
never ever got English voters backing him.

He should never have wasted 5 days
that was a Outrage

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes but Brown
never ever got English voters backing him.

He should never have wasted 5 days
that was a Outrage

Well how could he, he represented a Scottish seat just as Sir Alec Douglas-Home did too.

He was still prime Minister and he only stopped being PM when it was totally clear that he couldn't have formed a govt;
The Lib Dems were talking to both the Conservatives and labour.
Had the Lib Dems decided to go with Labour, then they would have had 315 seats to the Conservatives 307, it could have been that had they put forward a Queen's speech, that the nationalists,Green MP and the SDLP in N Ireland would not have voted that Queen's speech down.
Which would have meant a Lab/Lib Dem coalition.

Despite having fewer seats than the Conservatives, it was still then mathematically possible to get overall support in the commons.
Until it was completely clear that was not possible and the Lib Dems were then likely going with the Conservatives, that was the time to go.

That is the constitution, no matter what anyone else personally thinks.He couldn't quit as PM becasue it was in no way certain that David Cameron could get enough votes to form a govt:
the previous PM has to remain until a recommendation can be made as to who the Queen sends for.

Just as in Feb 1974, Edward Heath had 4 seats less than Labour, Harold Wilson just had to sit and wait to see if heath could form a govt; with Liberal support and others.
Heath remained PM until that was all settled and he eventually realised the Lib Dems wouldn't support him.

Harold Wilson always said he would form a minority govt;
However, he still had to just sit and wait until it was clear Edward Heath could not,just left waiting for Heath to concede that and then resign as PM.

[Jøsh]

Just pick 1 phrase from each 'column',then post the outcome in order (Col 1,2,3).

Mine is 'The BBC is turning our grandchildren into sluts.'

[arista]

"Despite having fewer seats than the Conservatives,"

thats what mattered
Nothing Else



and Fecking Brown should have gone to the Queen the next day
not wasting 5 days of My Time and Orders



These Elections halt deals

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"Despite having fewer seats than the Conservatives,"

thats what mattered
Nothing Else



and Fecking Brown should have gone to the Queen the next day
not wasting 5 days of My Time and Orders



These Elections halt deals

Well sadly you and I don't get to write the constitution as to these events arista and I have shown examples a plenty of PMs being changed and not holding snap elecions and also a similar scenario to Brown with Heath.

The old government has to be kicked out by a party that beats them solidly,there were 343 other MPs elected in 2010 who were not Conservative,if theyhad decided they didn't want the Conservatives then Brown and Labour could have governed still.
Whether you liked it or not, and under parliamentary rules the would have been in the right to do so too.

Instead of blaming Brown, you should be looking at the man who failed to win the easiest election ever to win, with a troubled govt; a bumbling leader and an election that had been full of gaffes by Labour and Brown.
Who was it failed to get the votes to win solidly, one David Cameron.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well sadly you and I don't get to write the constitution as to these events arista and I have shown examples a plenty of PMs being changed and not holding snap elecions and also a similar scenario to Brown with Heath.

The old government has to be kicked out by a party that beats them solidly,there were 343 other MPs elected in 2010 who were not Conservative,if theyhad decided they didn't want the Conservatives then Brown and Labour could have governed still.
Whether you liked it or not, and under parliamentary rules the would have been in the right to do so too.

Instead of blaming Brown, you should be looking at the man who failed to win the easiest election ever to win, with a troubled govt; a bumbling leader and an election that had been full of gaffes by Labour and Brown.
Who was it failed to get the votes to win solidly, one David Cameron.

But he Beat Brown
and with Clegg became the PM

[arista]

A Ideal Win

would be Conservative /UKIP/SNP/LibDem




And No Fecking Labour needed

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

A Ideal Win

would be Conservative /UKIP/SNP/LibDem




And No Fecking Labour needed

Well the way the polling is going at present it has Labour and the Conservatives expected to getj ust over around 280 seats each, with the SNP getting beween 45 and 50.
the likelihood will be no party would then be able to govern at all without some arrangement with the SNP.

Since the SNP will have nothing to do with the Conservatives, your hope looks rather doomed.

That is before many Conservative MPs who would actually hate the very idea of any deal with UKIP too.
Some may even give up the whip if that occurred.

[arista]

[arista]

cartoon by Neil Slorance:
on SkyNews Election blog

[arista]

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[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dont forget that tonite on BBC1 HD at 6.55 is the UKIP election broadcast



Nigel cares about you

[MTVN]

It's true that raising the income tax threshold was a Lib Dem policy which the Tories were repeatedly against and only introduced reluctantly, now they boast about it as though they fulfilled some long held Conservative vision in implementing it. I really think its sad that the Lib Dems positive and moderating impact on this government has been so unappreciated

[arista]

Fecking War Monger Blair is helping his party
he even brought up China,


Feck Off Blair
China are our mates

[joeysteele]

Actually, I hate to admit this but I thought Tony Blair gave a very insightful speech this morning as to the EU and the World at large too.
Pretty impressive throughout.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nicola sturgeon bossed the leadership debate up here too. Just finishing now.

[JoshBB]

The tories taking credit for what the Lib Dems have introduced is unacceptable imo