[arista]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

The poor journalists. The look on her face, she had already been shot once at that point too.

I'm so annoyed that fat **** killed himself, I wanted him to rot in jail.

Yes she started to Run
the Crazy Evil Man
Shot her in her Back

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I Get You.


But I know how America thinks

Those Hospital workers
are Heroes

..they're not really heroes because they would have tried to save his life, which is their job..obviously they failed t do that...

...personally I would have preferred to see him face justice for what he did, although I feel no sadness that he's dead (for him..)...I do feel sad for his family who are not only grieving his death but are living with what he did.../I can't imagine how that would be for a parent...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..they're not really heroes because they would have tried to save his life, which is their job..obviously they failed t do that...

...personally I would have preferred to see him face justice for what he did, although I feel no sadness that he's dead (for him..)...I do feel sad for his family who are not only grieving his death but are living with what he did.../I can't imagine how that would be for a parent...

On USA TV News
they are all saying he was EVIL


How you been In America?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

On USA TV News
they are all saying he was EVIL


How you been In America?

..do you mean, have I been in America..?../yes a few times...

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..they're not really heroes because they would have tried to save his life, which is their job..obviously they failed t do that...

...personally I would have preferred to see him face justice for what he did, although I feel no sadness that he's dead (for him..)...I do feel sad for his family who are not only grieving his death but are living with what he did.../I can't imagine how that would be for a parent...

His parents should've raised him not to pull guns out on innocent people.

[Ammi]

..what age was he..?..and all of those years of his life of not pulling guns out and shooting people, I really don't see how any responsibility/blame for what he did can be placed on his parents...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

His parents should've raised him not to pull guns out on innocent people.

That's a bit simplistic isn't it... He was obviously an incredibly broken individual, based on his letter and what he did. I don't think he became a murderer because his parents failed to teach him that shooting people is naughty.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

State Police just confirmed the Killer
died in hospital


Justice
thank you Hospital Workers

"Oh Happy Days"

One less evil psycho in this fractured world.

[lostalex]

The motives and personality of the killer remind me of Colin Ferguson in the 90's. a black guy that shot up a train in new york (like in france recently) and claimed he was the victim of racism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_I..._Road_massacre

This was a hate crime, no doubt.

[arista]

[waterhog]

guns the USA and the solution - and the run ? 27.08.15



there is a craze

its not all hidden

to purchase a lethal weapon is no maze

its so easy to get what should be forbidden.

on live TV it was divesting

everyone must admit to the distress

with social media to the "twisted" its calculating

that's why i am appealing to congress.

there is a positive perspective

but again its "thinking" is corrupt

al qaeda and Ghad have lost there objective

there no1 threat has ended abrupt.

will come round mr obama

or will he defend the gun lobby

i think the USA are reaping karma

just to stick with this law that every citizen can shoot like a bobby.

guns can only result in tragic

that's why the USA need to bite the bullet

a world with out this weapon would be pure magic

its like Euro 88 and the contribution from team and captain ruh hullet.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by waterhog

guns the USA and the solution - and the run ? 27.08.15



there is a craze

its not all hidden

to purchase a lethal weapon is no maze

its so easy to get what should be forbidden.

on live TV it was divesting

everyone must admit to the distress

with social media to the "twisted" its calculating

that's why i am appealing to congress.

there is a positive perspective

but again its "thinking" is corrupt

al qaeda and Ghad have lost there objective

there no1 threat has ended abrupt.

will come round mr obama

or will he defend the gun lobby

i think the USA are reaping karma

just to stick with this law that every citizen can shoot like a bobby.

guns can only result in tragic

that's why the USA need to bite the bullet

a world with out this weapon would be pure magic

its like Euro 88 and the contribution from team and captain ruh hullet.

yea, I'd much rather get my head cut off by a muslim with a big knife while a crowd of people are filming with camera phones (cough*leerigby*cough), the UK has so much to teach the US.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea, I'd much rather get my head cut off by a muslim with a big knife while a crowd of people are filming with camera phones (cough*leerigby*cough), the UK has so much to teach the US.

I'm not a patriot Alex but this is a bit misleading. The violent crime and (especially) gun crime stats in the UK pale in comparison to the US.

The population of the US is roughly 5 times that of the UK so here are the stats if you "inflate" the UK to the same population level, with rough figures:

Murders:

US = 13000
UK = 750 x 5 = 3750


Murders with firearms:

US = 9,500
UK = (15 x 5) = 75



The UK actually has a bigger "crime problem" than the US when it comes to petty crimes, drugs, theft etc. but the violent crime rate is far, far lower than the United States. The US has a problem with violent crime and especially gun crime. That isn't something that should be ignored.

[Vanessa]

This is really shocking and sad.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not a patriot Alex but this is a bit misleading. The violent crime and (especially) gun crime stats in the UK pale in comparison to the US.

The population of the US is roughly 5 times that of the UK so here are the stats if you "inflate" the UK to the same population level, with rough figures:

Murders:

US = 13000
UK = 750 x 5 = 3750


Murders with firearms:

US = 9,500
UK = (15 x 5) = 75



The UK actually has a bigger "crime problem" than the US when it comes to petty crimes, drugs, theft etc. but the violent crime rate is far, far lower than the United States. The US has a problem with violent crime and especially gun crime. That isn't something that should be ignored.

it's also not to be ignored that most of those murders happen in specific communities and or specific situations. the majority occur in specific communities in inner cities, and or happen as domestic violence.

It's not like the average person in America experiences a significantly higher risk of being killed than the average brit. those figures are mostly talking about domestic violence, and gang related murder in very specific neighborhoods in big cities.

and giving numbers for murders ONLY with firearms, is a silly number to give, i don't care whether i'm killed with a gun or a knife or a rope or a pencil...murder is murder. so i don't know why you are specifying by just murders with GUNS.

There was a mass murder in the US last year where a guy just drove his Car into a crowd of people. Elliot rodger. The half asian half white kid that hated women, and wanted to kill all jocks and all beautiful women, because he didn't get enough sex. he used a car as his major weapon.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it's also not to be ignored that most of those murders happen in specific communities and or specific situations. the majority occur in specific communities in inner cities, and or happen as domestic violence.

It's not like the average person in America experiences a significantly higher risk of being killed than the average brit. those figures are mostly talking about domestic violence, and gang related murder in very specific neighborhoods in big cities.

I understand that, and the figures are far less skewed if you take big cities out of the equation, or even if you just compare London to a similarly-sized US city (with some notable exceptions) and I appreciate what you're saying about the safety of the average person... however, does that entirely matter? It doesn't change the fact that IN these situations, it is (in all likelihood) the easy availability of firearms that leads to the higher death rates. For example - there is certainly just as much domestic violence in the UK as in the US. However, it far less often ends in a death, not in small part due to the fact that there is unlikely to be a gun involved.

You could even take the incident in this thread as an example. One man armed with a knife could kill people - certainly - but the odds of survival in that situation would have been far higher. That scales exponentially with the number of victims. A man armed with a gun can walk into a room and gun down 10 people in 20 seconds before anyone can stop him, if they're caught unawares and he's a decent shot. A man walks into a room with 20 adults in it armed with a knife - or even a larger weapon like a samuri sword (as has happened) - the chances of him successfully attacking all 20 is very slim.

In short; The people in the US aren't more violent than the people in the UK. The situations, and motivations, aren't really any different either. The UK also has domestic violence and gang violence. So what accounts for the vast difference in the death rate? The only answer, really, is the fact that there is easier access to more consistently lethal weaponry.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I understand that, and the figures are far less skewed if you take big cities out of the equation, or even if you just compare London to a similarly-sized US city (with some notable exceptions) and I appreciate what you're saying about the safety of the average person... however, does that entirely matter? It doesn't change the fact that IN these situations, it is (in all likelihood) the easy availability of firearms that leads to the higher death rates. For example - there is certainly just as much domestic violence in the UK as in the US. However, it far less often ends in a death, not in small part due to the fact that there is unlikely to be a gun involved.

You could even take the incident in this thread as an example. One man armed with a knife could kill people - certainly - but the odds of survival in that situation would have been far higher. That scales exponentially with the number of victims. A man armed with a gun can walk into a room and gun down 10 people in 20 seconds before anyone can stop him, if they're caught unawares and he's a decent shot. A man walks into a room with 20 adults in it armed with a knife - or even a larger weapon like a samuri sword (as has happened) - the chances of him successfully attacking all 20 is very slim.

In short; The people in the US aren't more violent than the people in the UK. The situations, and motivations, aren't really any different either. The UK also has domestic violence and gang violence. So what accounts for the vast difference in the death rate? The only answer, really, is the fact that there is easier access to more consistently lethal weaponry.

Yep exactly

[user104658]

and giving numbers for murders ONLY with firearms, is a silly number to give, i don't care whether i'm killed with a gun or a knife or a rope or a pencil...murder is murder. so i don't know why you are specifying by just murders with GUNS.

This is specifically why I gave the numbers without guns, too, if you'll do a little maths there Alex. The difference in overall murders is far less than the difference in the numbers with guns and, in fact, if you take gun crime OUT of the equation it looks like this:

US murders without firearms = 3500
UK Murders without firearms = 735 x 5 = 3675

That in itself should be illustrative?

[lostalex]

I just feel like the gun problem is like pandora's box. i don't know how you would get SO MANY guns out of such a LARGE country. and even if we did get them out, wouldn't that just create a bigger market for the Mexican gangs to sell illegal guns, just like with drugs?

I feel like it's a pandora's box situation. The gun are already out in such large numbers that it would be impossible to get them all back.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I Get You.


But I know how America thinks

Those Hospital workers
are Heroes

All hospital workers are heroes. And that's because they save lives on a daily basis, and at least try to in the cases that are unsuccessful. Not because they let certain patients die.

You seem to be assuming that they just let him die, and I very much doubt that (and if they did, they woudn't be doing their jobs). Our opinion on the man in question is irrelevant there.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I just feel like the gun problem is like pandora's box. i don't know how you would get SO MANY guns out of such a LARGE country. and even if we did get them out, wouldn't that just create a bugger market for the Mexican gangs to sell illegal guns, just like with drugs?

I feel like it's a pandora's box situation. The gun are already out in such large numbers that it would be impossible to get them all back.

That I do agree with; I think that in practical terms, guns are so ingrained in certain areas that it would be impossible to reverse now. You could make them illegal but there are already so many firearms available that anyone who wanted to get hold of one would still be able to. You couldn't physically remove them without some sort of massive Orwellian crackdown that would result in violence on a massie scale.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

All hospital workers are heroes. And that's because they save lives on a daily basis, and at least try to in the cases that are unsuccessful. Not because they let certain patients die.

You seem to be assuming that they just let him die, and I very much doubt that (and if they did, they woudn't be doing their jobs). Our opinion on the man in question is irrelevant there.

I agree, if anyone was gonna let him die it would have been the law enforcement that first got there, not the people at the hospital.

no matter what happened though, the world is a better place without him in it. good riddance.

[Jay28jay2]

Does anyone know what happened to the woman she was interviewing?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jay28jay2

Does anyone know what happened to the woman she was interviewing?

she died.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

she died.

Really? Why have only the interviewer and the cameraman been getting press then? That's a bit harsh. Unless of course the interviewee's family chose not to make a big deal.